[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

There' nothing wrong with the dresses. There's something fundamentally wrong with needlessly exhibiting young women in a sport aimed at middle-aged men. This should not be a hard concept to grasp but I won't pretend why some people "don't get it". Too busy with their hand in their pants watching women young enough to be their daughters drag out the old Darts Farts for literally no reason whatsoever that anyone can give other than that "they're nice for men to look at".



Can we please stop pretending to not know what we're looking at here? Come on now . Don't be so f'ing silly.

My issue with it in sports in particular is women in sport are already fighting to be taken seriously in sport as it is so i think having women as decorations around the men in a sport makes it even harder for the female competitors to be taken seriously. I'm not going to stop watching the sports because of it (not talking specifically about Darts here as I rarely watch Darts but I suppose UFC/MMA ring girls comes to mind) but I don't love it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

There' nothing wrong with the dresses. There's something fundamentally wrong with needlessly exhibiting young women in a sport aimed at middle-aged men. This should not be a hard concept to grasp but I won't pretend why some people "don't get it". Too busy with their hand in their pants watching women young enough to be their daughters drag out the old Darts Farts for literally no reason whatsoever that anyone can give other than that "they're nice for men to look at".



Can we please stop pretending to not know what we're looking at here? Come on now . Don't be so f'ing silly.

That picture.

[Beso]

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

And to describe it as a middle aged mans sport is ridiculous considering luke littler isnt even 20 yet. Infact I doubt more than 1 of the top ten is over 35.

You are talking about a sport you know sod all about, its love audience will have an average age of 25.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

And to describe it as a middle aged mans sport is ridiculous considering luke littler isnt even 20 yet. Infact I doubt more than 1 of the top ten is over 35.

You are talking about a sport you know sod all about, its love audience will have an average age of 25.

That's not true

Adult darts fans tend to be older: just 18% are aged 18-34 compared to 27% of the general sports-watching population, while 45% (vs. 40% of sports fans) are over 55

https://business.yougov.com/content/...essional-darts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not true

Adult darts fans tend to be older: just 18% are aged 18-34 compared to 27% of the general sports-watching population, while 45% (vs. 40% of sports fans) are over 55

https://business.yougov.com/content/...essional-darts

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

I would say the majority in the pic are under 55 wouldn't you?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Peek at the spoiler above Cherie and tell me the picture is lying.

A picture of a packed house, taken when there was no walk on girls..oh, how can we fill this full stadium even fuller...err we cant, it's full...aww, I was hoping to bring the walk on girls back to over fill the stadium..dont be silly, it's full already...with people still young and vibrant.

Bring the girls back though, they were good for advertisement..

Ok.thats what we will do then...bring them back fir the advertisement, our stadiums are full to the brim, so we do t need them for the dirty old men from the 80s to come back..

What about the ones watching on tv pulling their blinkers though...dont be silly, nobody is going to be sitting with their cocks out in front if the wife and grandkids peter.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure about that maybe sitting at home, but the audience are generally young men and women

They always looked mixed to me. Anecdotally, in real life the only people I know who are into watching the Darts are middle aged/older

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They always looked mixed to me. Anecdotally, in real life the only people I know who are into watching the Darts are middle aged/older

My younger son loves the darts

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not everyone sees the world via perverted eyes...its only you who instantly thinks perverted thoughts when you see these ladies.

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

Actually since they were binned in 2018 the sport has been growing, so no one knows why they have suddenly decided to do this, someone somewhere thought it was a good idea 6 years later

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Actually since they were binned in 2018 the sport has been growing, so no one knows why they have suddenly decided to do this

We do know.

someone somewhere thought it was a good idea 6 years later

An older man with his hand down his pants.

Let's stop pretending to know why. If you're defending the sport surely "Ugh we got past this and the sport was growing in legitimacy, why have they gone back to this outdated trash" should be the focus, not "Ahh it's fine it's just a bit of casual letchery for the working man, leave them to it".

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'll just ask what I asked above;

1) Why are they there?

2) Who is it for?

If you can reasonably answer those two things in a way that is at all reaslistic, and doesn't boil down to "to be nice to look at", "for men" then that's the start of a conversation. Until then you're just shouting "no you're wrong!". If I'm wrong give me an alternative, realistic, explanation.

Its pretty evident that they are there to advertise the sponsor, the william hill banner is a bit of a giveaway..


Didnt you used to keep there money safe for them?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Its pretty evident that they are there to advertise the sponsor, the william hill banner is a bit of a giveaway..


Didnt you used to keep there money safe for them?

Indeed though I'll not confirm which of the bastards I worked for however it does mean that I'm well aware of the following;

1) Gambling by nature if an exploitation of the "customers".

2) The industry as a whole treats staff as numbers-in-seats not as people and pays as little as possible.

3) They openly and blatantly thrive on the exploitation and misuse of horses and greyhounds.


So it's not a particular surprise thet they'll happily exploit women for profit.

Is the argument "it's OK because some big companies are making lots of money off it"? Is that the justification now? That might be even flimsier than it being for the ogling sleazeballs.

[Beso]

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

How do you know that, is there some stats for that?

Also the stats I posted compared it to other sports so "having more time to watch telly" doesn't explain it away

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Beso

Over 55s have more time to watch telly than the 20 somethings. The live audience at the events will be predominantly under the age of being middle aged.

Spoiler:

You can't just "say stuff" and have it magically be true Parmy. Evidence exists. We're already on the internet. It's right there, just one tab away.

[Beso]

Hers me thinking the YES, YES, YEAHHHHH. was the crowd appreciating a 180, when on fact it's just the sounds if many old men coming in unison.

[thesheriff443]

Straight men look at women
Straight men look at beautiful women for longer or take several looks
I’m sorry but I’m not going to look at the floor if I see a beautiful woman

[Beso]

The seniors darts isnt even on tv, so there are no dirty old gammony perverts watching. @Quantum Boy.

[user104658]

Exploitation with consent is not freedom Ammi, but I'm really not going to go into an entire semester's worth of political philosophy to explain that reasoning. You either understand it at a root level or you don't, and the groundwork needed to understand why it's the case is not for TiBB.

This is just the porn/onlyfans argument all over again so there's probably multiple threads out there where it's been gone over a lot more.

[Ammi]

…ok, well…I’m not going to get completely focused on the watching audience so that the girls themselves and their freedoms to choose are taken from them because that really is just a different step backwards, I would say…anyway, I’m packing to move house tomorrow right now so I don’t have time for ‘all over again’ either…we’re definitely in agreement in that…

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…ok, well…I’m not going to get completely focused on the watching audience so that the girls themselves and their freedoms to choose are taken from them because that really is just a different step backwards, I would say…anyway, I’m packing to move house tomorrow right now so I don’t have time for ‘all over again’ either…we’re definitely in agreement in that…

Andrew Tate would agree with you Ammi. The ladies in his "employment" are free to choose to be pimped out. They have a commodity, after all, it's in high demand, why shouldn't they sell it?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Andrew Tate would agree with you Ammi. The ladies in his "employment" are free to choose to be pimped out. They have a commodity, after all, it's in high demand, why shouldn't they sell it?

…that’s one heck of a joining of dots to females choosing to be Darts Walk on Girls to being a gateway leading to Andrew Tate and being ‘pimped out’….so I’m just going to leave you to make that link, as that’s what you feel…as I said earlier, I’m distracted with packing atm so haven’t given this topic complete thought to have formed a definite opinion…it was really the article I wanted to post because I found that it prompted me to think more deeply about it all….I will say, though…to be really blunt…with your last comment to me…?…there are some days when it’s sadly impossible to have a grown up conversation with you…