[BBXX]

Anyone with a brain and teeth would have guessed this would happen.

The Supreme Court has received an official request to overturn the same-sex marriage bill. Hopefully it'll get thrown out but at least while t'sunder threat the "why do you need pride" brigade will go quiet.

This Kim Davis has been married four times to three men. She realllllly cares about the sanctity of marriage, bless her.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2805727.html

[ChristmasNeeve]

Ridiculous, not sure why people care so much about who other people marry. And like you said bit rich for her to be "standing up for marriage" or whatever when she's been divorced multiple times

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ridiculous, not sure why people care so much about who other people marry. And like you said but rich for her to be "standing up for marriage" or whatever when she's been divorced multiple times

Agreed.

As long as they're both consenting adults, they should be eligible to get married if they so choose.

Society around the world is going backwards, whilst pretending to be progressive.

It's honestly insufferable.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Agreed.

As long as they're both consenting adults, they should be eligible to get married if they so choose.

Society around the world is going backwards, whilst pretending to be progressive.

It's honestly insufferable.

Not just insufferable, it's scary.

People said this would happen, for the last few years and definitely if Trump got into power again. People get bolstered by stuff like that, they feel like they are safe to be bigoted.

First they came for a woman's right to choose, then they came for trans rights, then migrants, and next they will try for gay rights.

Unfortunately there will be people who are part of marginalised groups who sat back and supported them coming for another group, thinking they were safe. They were not and they are surprised, for some reason.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Not just insufferable, it's scary.

People said this would happen, for the last few years and definitely if Trump got into power again. People get bolstered by stuff like that, they feel like they are safe to be bigoted.

First they came for a woman's right to choose, then they came for trans rights, then migrants, and next they will try for gay rights.

Unfortunately there will be people who are part of marginalised groups who sat back and supported them coming for another group, thinking they were safe. They were not and they are surprised, for some reason.

I agree with you by and large, although I do think the Trans stuff is a bit of a minefield tbf to a lot of people in Government.

The other stuff though makes me think what group is being targeted after gay people, will it be the disabled?

I honestly believe that we're already in a scary time period, but the next decade could see INGSOC become a reality.

[Parmy]

You should be able to marry who you want

But what his marriage these days. just a bit of paper that ends up costing some of us blokes a shed load of dosh.

So good luck, whatever outcome you want I hope it's the one that happens.

Quick question though, who would come of worst, financially in a divorce settlement.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

You should be able to marry who you want

But what his marriage these days. just a bit of paper that ends up costing some of us blokes a shed load of dosh.

So good luck, whatever outcome you want I hope it's the one that happens.

Quick question though, who would come of worst, financially in a divorce settlement.

Depends on the prenup i guess.

Divorce rates are lowest in gay men compared to lesbian couples of heterosexual couples so I guess there isn't too much data on that as yet

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Depends on the prenup i guess.

Divorce rates are lowest in gay men compared to lesbian couples of heterosexual couples so I guess there isn't too much data on that as yet

That's something to be proud off. The divorce rates.

It shows good character.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Beso

That's something to be proud off. The divorce rates.

It shows good character.

It's an interesting stat and it would be interesting to know the reason. Perhaps men expect less from one another. Studies have shown that marriage between gay men is not only more successful, but happier.

I can only speak for what I hear from straight friends, but there is still such an imbalance in domestic labour, childcare, in the women carrying the mental load. I think that they leads to pushback and resentment by the woman in the relationship, rightly so. It seems from what I have heard that when children are involved, marriage between a man and a woman often becomes this constant negotiation with one another. "You went out last night so I want to go out today so you need to look after the kids" or "You need to have them for X hours this morning because you're out all day and I want some time to myself before that" and I totally understand why this happens.

Perhaps that's it - perhaps it's because gay marriage is by and large less likely to include kids, which adds a very complex angle and often a huge strain to a couple. But then lesbian couples have the highest divorce rate, so who knows.

There is an old cliche that lesbian couples tell one another they love each other after the second date, and they move super quick. I think there is a little truth behind that, but not much. Maybe women just have a higher standard for themselves - perhaps men are too scared to call something quits for worry of looking like a failure.

All I know is someone who has constantly remarried should not be worrying themselves about gay people marrying who they love.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's an interesting stat and it would be interesting to know the reason. Perhaps men expect less from one another. Studies have shown that marriage between gay men is not only more successful, but happier.

I can only speak for what I hear from straight friends, but there is still such an imbalance in domestic labour, childcare, in the women carrying the mental load. I think that they leads to pushback and resentment by the woman in the relationship, rightly so. It seems from what I have heard that when children are involved, marriage between a man and a woman often becomes this constant negotiation with one another. "You went out last night so I want to go out today so you need to look after the kids" or "You need to have them for X hours this morning because you're out all day and I want some time to myself before that" and I totally understand why this happens.

Perhaps that's it - perhaps it's because gay marriage is by and large less likely to include kids, which adds a very complex angle and often a huge strain to a couple. But then lesbian couples have the highest divorce rate, so who knows.

There is an old cliche that lesbian couples tell one another they love each other after the second date, and they move super quick. I think there is a little truth behind that, but not much. Maybe women just have a higher standard for themselves - perhaps men are too scared to call something quits for worry of looking like a failure.

All I know is someone who has constantly remarried should not be worrying themselves about gay people marrying who they love.

…also, just a little random thing that someone once said to me/a gay friend who was married…that he and his partner tend to ‘admire’ the same people in terms of who they find attractive…they can both say, oh yeah he’s gorgeous etc…because they have a mutual attraction to the same gender…?…that’s not the case with heterosexuality, is it…so for some that can create a jealousy I guess…

[Christmas Dynasnow]

please put USA in the thread title

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

please put USA in the thread title

Whatever happens over there will come to the UK within the next few years.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Whatever happens over there will come to the UK within the next few years.

I usually do agree, but I am not actually sure in this instance. I think if anything (and may have said elsewhere a while back) this will go the way of abortion, where states get to choose.

However, I think they'd have a really hard time implementing such an overturning here in the UK. Attitude towards gay marriage is really strong, a very small percentage of the population care. Around 77% of the country support it and that figure has remained consistent for a long while.

I think even if Nigel Farage got into power, the most right-wing politician likely to do so, he would quite probably just leave it alone. It's not worth the fight for him and there isn't the same strength or passion on opposition here than in the USA.

However the fact that I say that with little confidence is telling, and that it could ever be a conservation on the table shows why pride matters and why sexuality is political. Governments make homosexuality political by constantly talking about it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I usually do agree, but I am not actually sure in this instance. I think if anything (and may have said elsewhere a while back) this will go the way of abortion, where states get to choose.

However, I think they'd have a really hard time implementing such an overturning here in the UK. Attitude towards gay marriage is really strong, a very small percentage of the population care. Around 77% of the country support it and that figure has remained consistent for a long while.

I think even if Nigel Farage got into power, the most right-wing politician likely to do so, he would quite probably just leave it alone. It's not worth the fight for him and there isn't the same strength or passion on opposition here than in the USA.

However the fact that I say that with little confidence is telling, and that it could ever be a conservation on the table shows why pride matters and why sexuality is political. Governments make homosexuality political by constantly talking about it.

….hmmmmmm, I’m not entirely confident either, like Mock…you know the saying…whenever America sneezes, the UK catches cold….

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….hmmmmmm, I’m not entirely confident either, like Mock…you know the saying…whenever America sneezes, the UK catches cold….

Exactly, Ammi.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I usually do agree, but I am not actually sure in this instance. I think if anything (and may have said elsewhere a while back) this will go the way of abortion, where states get to choose.

However, I think they'd have a really hard time implementing such an overturning here in the UK. Attitude towards gay marriage is really strong, a very small percentage of the population care. Around 77% of the country support it and that figure has remained consistent for a long while.

I think even if Nigel Farage got into power, the most right-wing politician likely to do so, he would quite probably just leave it alone. It's not worth the fight for him and there isn't the same strength or passion on opposition here than in the USA.

However the fact that I say that with little confidence is telling, and that it could ever be a conservation on the table shows why pride matters and why sexuality is political. Governments make homosexuality political by constantly talking about it.

I'm glad that this country supports people's freedoms by such a large margin.

Tbh I have no real issues with Pride personally, it's not really harming my life so I've never really saw the issue with it's existence.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Imagine thinking your fourth heterosexual marriage is holier than anyones first gay one. MAGA morality is just hypocrisy in a red hat.

[Ammi]

…thing is though…Kim Davis has the freedom to marry and us marry as many times as she wants under the law/I don’t know what her religion follows…but she wants to remove that law right from others to all have those same rights…which doesn’t follow any type of democracy…while citing her own freedoms, she’s advocating to stifle those of others…anyway, returning the same negativity and intolerance that is being displayed isn’t great either so…I wish that I was confident that this will all be dismissed but I’m not quite so much…

[bots]

This is one reason I can't watch the Handmaidens Tale. It's too close to actually happening. The religious fanatics in America have always been insane, but now they have power and influence to do what the hell they want. They want women to lose voting rights, divorce to be illegal and the list goes on.

Tell me .... what is the difference between what the USA wants to do and the muslim county's like Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan. From my perspective, their aims are completely aligned.

The other thing worth noting is that this doesn't disappear with Trump, this shitfest is here to stay

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I should also add accommodation is meant to work both ways. A person wouldn't decline to work Sundays (though that happens and can be honored) where some churches accommodate by being available at more days and times.

It has to be for perfectly legitimate reasons that makes sense why it is putting that person in a major conflict of conscience.

However, if an employer can't accommodate for perfectly legitimate reasons also, they can turn down employment altogether (generally). If a person needs to be on hand on Sundays and are in a management position, they're not going find an extra manager for one day. So they may have to change days and accommodate the employer.

In law enforcement, it wasn't possible to allow religious headwear for presentation\public-facing and safety reasons. Those rules were loosened by some agencies, but that restriction still wasn't considered a violation of personal freedoms where it simply wasn't practical.

Edit: Most of these things are worked out at hiring time here.