[Novo]

Originally posted by Lauren

In the actual contention of the medal, there is the same number of athletes for the medal.

Furthermore;
Able bodied people in the World Vs. Able bodied people competing in the Olympics is lower than the number of Disabled people Vs. Disabled people competing in the Olympics.

Anybody able-bodied can train to the standard of Olympians, whereas disabled athletes have to endure excruciating pain when training, and take the extra step to compete.

what a load of bs

tbf

pain is felt by everyone who trains not just by disabled people

[NettoSuperstar!]

And anyway Sports personality of the year shouldnt be exclusive to able bodied athletes

[Lauren]

Originally posted by andy-dale-win

what a load of bs

tbf

pain is felt by everyone who trains not just by disabled people

Clearly not to the same extent as running on nerve endings.

[Novo]

Originally posted by David_Purdy
Steven Gerrard for Sports Personality of the Year.

phil neville

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by andy-dale-win

phil neville

neither have a chance

[Locke.]

Originally posted by andy-dale-win

phil neville

How many own goals has he scored?

[Markymark]

Originally posted by Lauren

In the actual contention of the medal, there is the same number of athletes for the medal.

Furthermore;
Able bodied people in the World Vs. Able bodied people competing in the Olympics is lower than the number of Disabled people Vs. Disabled people competing in the Olympics.

Anybody able-bodied can train to the standard of Olympians, whereas disabled athletes have to endure excruciating pain when training, and take the extra step to compete.

The standard is still high... for example. Oscar Pistorius is "good enough" to compete against able-bodied athletes. This would obvious take more effort than that of ablebodied people.

There's also Natalie Du Toit who can also compete in the Olympics.

Anybody?!? I bet nobody who has posted on this thread could come anywhere near that standard. To be in the Olympics you need both natural talent and great determination.

Ask yourself how many Paralympians would get into the Olympics if they were able-bodied? Only a small handful. In fact, some scientists say technology with false feet etc is now some advanced that some disabled athletes are at no disadvantage at all compared to able-bodied athletes in certain sports. That explains why some Paralympians have competed in the Olympics.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by bbE
And anyway Sports personality of the year shouldnt be exclusive to able bodied athletes

It's not. You say it like there's some ban on them. If they do well enough they will appear, Tanny Grey THompson did a few years ago.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Markymark

Anybody?!? I bet nobody who has posted on this thread could come anywhere near that standard. To be in the Olympics you need both natural talent and great determination.

Ask yourself how many Paralympians would get into the Olympics if they were able-bodied? Only a small handful. In fact, some scientists say technology with false feet etc is now some advanced that some disabled athletes are at no disadvantage at all compared to able-bodied athletes in certain sports. That explains why some Paralympians have competed in the Olympics.

So what are you saying? disabled people have no natural talent or great determination. Who says disabled people are at no disadvantage? thats bs

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Markymark

Anybody?!? I bet nobody who has posted on this thread could come anywhere near that standard. To be in the Olympics you need both natural talent and great determination.

Ask yourself how many Paralympians would get into the Olympics if they were able-bodied? Only a small handful. In fact, some scientists say technology with false feet etc is now some advanced that some disabled athletes are at no disadvantage at all compared to able-bodied athletes in certain sports. That explains why some Paralympians have competed in the Olympics.

The fact is, paralympians exert the same effort, determination and talent that olympians do. Something natural shouldn't take it away from that.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by David_Purdy

How many own goals has he scored?

How many trophies did Gerrard win?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Markymark

It's not. You say it like there's some ban on them. If they do well enough they will appear, Tanny Grey THompson did a few years ago.

so theres no reason why a paralympic athlete shouldnt win

[Markymark]

Originally posted by bbE

So what are you saying? disabled people have no natural talent or great determination. Who says disabled people are at no disadvantage? thats bs

You know that's not what I'm saying. Because you're talking nonsense you have to start twisting my words. Nice one.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by bbE

so theres no reason why a paralympic athlete shouldnt win

There's no reason why our 8 time world tiddlywink champion shouldn't win either, that's better than winning 5 medals.

[Lauren]

Furthermore; if an able-bodied person/athlete was in an accident and became disabled, could THEY then go on to compete? I'd say no. Just like you said no vice versa.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Lauren

In the actual contention of the medal, there is the same number of athletes for the medal.

Furthermore;
Able bodied people in the World Vs. Able bodied people competing in the Olympics is lower than the number of Disabled people Vs. Disabled people competing in the Olympics.

Anybody able-bodied can train to the standard of Olympians, whereas disabled athletes have to endure excruciating pain when training, and take the extra step to compete.

The standard is still high... for example. Oscar Pistorius is "good enough" to compete against able-bodied athletes. This would obvious take more effort than that of ablebodied people.

There's also Natalie Du Toit who can also compete in the Olympics.

Taking Natalie Du Toit as an example; she won a lot at the Paralympics and decided to compete in that 5000m swim at the normal (hate to say that word because it implies...abnormality) Olympics [which GB got silver & bronze IIRC].

This goes to show the standard of the Olympics really, if (probably) the best Paralympian only managed 16th in an Olympic event.

And I find the claim that "any able-bodied athlete" can train to Olympic standard to be silly, really.

Although I applaud Kenny for his successes, and the other Paralympians, I think that it'd reek of PC if he won Sports Personality of the Year.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by Lauren
Furthermore; if an able-bodied person/athlete was in an accident and became disabled, could THEY then go on to compete? I'd say no. Just like you said no vice versa.

I didn't say that.

[Locke.]

Originally posted by Markymark

How many trophies did Gerrard win?

Plenty.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Shaun

This goes to show the standard of the Olympics really, if (probably) the best Paralympian only managed 16th in an Olympic event.

Well thats obviously because Natalie has a natural HUGE disadvantage compared to the Olympians. She still puts in as much determination and effort - which is what sports personality of the year is about.

The very fact someone disabled made it 16th in the Olympics is a huge effort.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by David_Purdy

Plenty.

Name them then.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Markymark

I didn't say that.

Originally posted by Markymark
Ask yourself how many Paralympians would get into the Olympics if they were able-bodied? Only a small handful.

[Locke.]

Originally posted by Markymark

Name them then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_...2Fachievements

[Markymark]

Originally posted by Lauren

I misunderstood you. That's a totally different situation as a lot of the disabled athletes have been disabled all their life but yes, I think a lot of them could compete after training for a year or 2.

[Markymark]

Originally posted by David_Purdy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_...2Fachievements

This is sports personality of the YEAR, i.e. 2008. You're not actually being serious though, are you?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Lauren

Well thats obviously because Natalie has a natural HUGE disadvantage compared to the Olympians. She still puts in as much determination and effort - which is what sports personality of the year is about.

The very fact someone disabled made it 16th in the Olympics is a huge effort.

Grr, you make a good argument

I don't know the full extent of her disability, but basically she has a prosthetic leg, yes? It doesn't seem to have affected her too much =\