[Lewis.]

Originally posted by Lewis

I think it all comes back to the argument about prisons and what is in them. If someone is jailed for murder they should have all human rights taken away from them, if they are not killed. I do agree about the 2 wrongs make a right, but i think that people are getting too used to murders now. Every day on the news we hear about a murder and if these murderers were kiled, dont you think that other people who plan to murder would then think twice if they knew it was their own life they were sacrificing?

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by bronaa

My sister has a nintendo DS and that's all we have
Ino..it's suppose to be awful for them..there's no point making jail a place you'd want to go to

Yeh! Good point lol. Would you want that kind of stuff do you not allowed it?

If a hobo got arrested for drug or w.e he could tell his hobo friends to steal and stuff cause to them its like a heaven or w.e lol.

[Fom]

Oh gosh I just did this in a debating lesson, if I find my facts I will let you know them.

Off the top of my head I believe it costs millions of tax payers money to house these murders in prison... Millions which could go to a better Education/Healthy system. Whereas the injection drug costs about £25. I know its horrible putting a price on someone's life, but why should we waste innocent peoples money on keeping murderers alive. I think it should be brought back but only used in extreme circumstances, like the Baby P situation, the parents should be considered for the penalty.

But I also believe that people should just sit their life in prison and pay for what they have done. But this means bringing in less luxuries to prisons, like no tv, no comfy beds, no nice meals. Have them live life basically, stop spending so much money. And also make the sentences longer, when people are locked up for life, actually make it life! Not 25 years... or even less.

[Lewis.]

I totally agree with you fom! These people need to learn that murder is not acceptable! We are wasting Millions each year, keeping someone alive, who has taken another persons life. i think it is sick how they are just kept in prison. I know that many people would disagree with this, but Murder, Rape and torture, should be punished with Death

[bronaaaa]

Originally posted by Lewis

I think it all comes back to the argument about prisons and what is in them. If someone is jailed for murder they should have all human rights taken away from them, if they are not killed. I do agree about the 2 wrongs make a right, but i think that people are getting too used to murders now. Every day on the news we hear about a murder and if these murderers were kiled, dont you think that other people who plan to murder would then think twice if they knew it was their own life they were sacrificing?

Yeah they would probaly think twice, but I still don't think it's morally right.

[Tom]

Make murderers suffer and live with what they've done, just stick them in a big pit with eachother or something and just leave them to rot away and die without costing us a penny

But we have more serious matters at hand to debate, One night in Paris?!

[inspector-frost]

Originally posted by Tom
Make murderers suffer and live with what they've done, just stick them in a big pit with eachother or something and just leave them to rot away and die without costing us a penny

But we have more serious matters at hand to debate, One night in Paris?!

all types of sex offenders should be burnt alive to make doubly sure they can never ever do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arista]

Originally posted by Fom
Oh gosh I just did this in a debating lesson, if I find my facts I will let you know them.

Off the top of my head I believe it costs millions of tax payers money to house these murders in prison... Millions which could go to a better Education/Healthy system. Whereas the injection drug costs about £25. I know its horrible putting a price on someone's life, but why should we waste innocent peoples money on keeping murderers alive. I think it should be brought back but only used in extreme circumstances, like the Baby P situation, the parents should be considered for the penalty.

But I also believe that people should just sit their life in prison and pay for what they have done. But this means bringing in less luxuries to prisons, like no tv, no comfy beds, no nice meals. Have them live life basically, stop spending so much money. And also make the sentences longer, when people are locked up for life, actually make it life! Not 25 years... or even less.

As well as No TV no Playstation 3
also.
Yes they say Prisons are to nice.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh dear

1. That would make US ALL mass murderers

2. There are too many people wrongly convicted, the chance of someone innocent being killed is too great

3. This isnt a simple black and white world...Good/Evil with no grey areas...theres a little bit more to it than that

4. People arent born evil....

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

4. People arent born evil....

What about psychopaths?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

What about psychopaths?

made

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

What about psychopaths?

by definition psychopaths have no concept of good/evil. How can they be evil if they lack the ability to judge.... dude... they are nuts. That's a mental prob are a chemical imbalance hehe lol Tom thinks someone is a psychopaths because they are ( say it in a scary voice) EVIL!

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

made

You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom

You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.

this
1. makes no sense,
2 doesn't back up your point
3 is actually wrong because learning new things PHYSICALLY changes the brain so "You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently" ...( lol) is wrong

[Ross]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

made

I disagree.

Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom

You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.

And brain abnormalities aside, you'll find most psychopaths have very disturbed/abusive upbringings that determine whether they go on to commit horrendous crimes against people...its not just a case of being born with that set of brain abnormalities...I've been to a few lectures on psychopaths...and what Ange said

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

And brain abnormalities aside, you'll find most psychopaths have very disturbed/abusive upbringings that determine whether they go on to commit horrendous crimes against people...its not just a case of being born with that set of brain abnormalities...I've been to a few lectures on psychopaths...and what Ange said

awww your degree on the subject scared Tom off hehe ... thought we were in for some entertainment there.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ross

I disagree.

Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.

I disagree and have studied criminal behaviour quite a bit...you dont inherit a psychopath gene...its part brain abnormality of course but experience especially in childhood) plays a large part in moulding the behaviour of someone in later life

[Ross]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

I disagree and have studied criminal behaviour quite a bit...you dont inherit a psychopath gene...its part brain abnormality of course but experience especially in childhood) plays a large part in moulding the behaviour of someone in later life

Okay, I agree with you in the fact that experiences in childhood could make you into a psychopath but psychopathic tendencies are past on from genes.

[NettoSuperstar!]

In fact I've met a few disturbed people in my time and I'll stand by "made not born that way" forever more

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ross

Okay, I agree with you in the fact that experiences in childhood could make you into a psychopath but psychopathic tendencies are past on from genes.

A predisposition maybe thats all. And the brain abnormalities found in psychopaths could be formed from experience as Ange said, brain chemistry/makeup is constantly changing neurons connecting, disconnecting and stuff. But for sure without the experience there will be no psychopathic killer...

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

this
1. makes no sense,
2 doesn't back up your point
3 is actually wrong because learning new things PHYSICALLY changes the brain so "You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently" ...( lol) is wrong

It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not.

Psychopaths process their language differently, instead of being processed in the left or right hemisphere (I've forgotten which) its processed in both hemispheres. Their brain structure is different, just as it is with gay people. Its something that is there from birth, not something that can be changed over time.

Some psychopaths are very normal people, had a great upbringing etc, good circle of friends. Some also are very charming, rarely commit any crimes but when they do its random acts of violence and usually quite bad. Google The Kray Twins if you don't know about them.

But in actual fact we're both right. There are three types of psychopaths:

Primary psychopaths- ones who appear normal but have different brain structures, basically what I've already said

Secondary psychopaths- ones who learn violent behaviour

Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems

I'm not doubting that some of it is nurture at all, I'm just saying some are born that way. Also some people think that personality traits are inherited so it could have a party to play in secondary and dyssocial psychopaths but thats open to debate.

And ange, a degree doesn't scare me, its something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology so its something I'm interested in so I won't run off scared

[NettoSuperstar!]

You might change your opinion when you start it mate. The brain structure isnt fixed at birth. Most criminal psychopaths have had disturbed childhood/abnormal relationships with parent/s...Its on the psychological profiling criteria list thingy

[Tom]

But what about the few that haven't? Where do they get it from?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
But what about the few that haven't? Where do they get it from?

How do we know they havent? There will be some significant experiences along with some kind of learning/brain functioning disorder of somekind