[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Phenomenal episode I'd already seen the spoilers but that didn't dilute the effect of what happened.

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But as chilling as the border reveal was, it was the flashback of the victims all fighting back that really stuck with me. One of the best scenes of the entire show.

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It was really powerful seeing Frankie and Addy team up and whatnot. I loved how ready Enid looked, and I'm sure I caught Tara killing a whisperer about to attack DJ? As cruel as this sounds, I wish we got to see more of their fight.. and how they died. And how they got into that situation. But in a sense it's great that the last time we saw these characters is when they were fighting together. It's good to know they didn't just randomly get their throats slit in the middle of a field.
Siddiq was the only one not fighting back. I know he's not been known for conflict but yikes.

[Moniqua]

Underrated Opinion(?) but.....

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ah fookin LOVED Tammy Rose and wish they killed ha boring ass husband instead of her </3

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

Underrated Opinion(?) but.....

Spoiler:

ah fookin LOVED Tammy Rose and wish they killed ha boring ass husband instead of her </3

Spoiler:

Fun fact! Tara and Enid's deaths were undecided until quite late into the season's production. When Brett was cast as Tammy, she was told straightaway "we're putting you on the pikes! ". Her death was sad and it was so cute seeing her with the baby and I honestly wish they gave Frankie the treatment Tammy Rose got.

[Moniqua]

it's been a day and i still literally cannot stop thinking about TWD this isn't healthy

[Brother Leon]

As much as I miss Rick, this season has lowkey been really good. Perhaps the best since season 5ish.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Ant.

It was really powerful seeing Frankie and Addy team up and whatnot. I loved how ready Enid looked, and I'm sure I caught Tara killing a whisperer about to attack DJ? As cruel as this sounds, I wish we got to see more of their fight.. and how they died. And how they got into that situation. But in a sense it's great that the last time we saw these characters is when they were fighting together. It's good to know they didn't just randomly get their throats slit in the middle of a field.
Siddiq was the only one not fighting back. I know he's not been known for conflict but yikes. [/SPOILER]

Also Frankie kicking like mad while still bound on the floor and Tammy with the shovel I assumed Siddiq fought too but that the flashbacks were for focusing on those who died. Rodney seemed too scared to fight back but I can't really blame him

I'd definitely liked to have seen more though, especially to clear up how each was taken and how exactly the deaths played out.

When hearing about this event in the comics I always assumed they were discreetly killed after being snatched without any of them knowing what was going on but having them all corralled together first just added so much more poignancy to it.

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

As much as I miss Rick, this season has lowkey been really good. Perhaps the best since season 5ish.

Best since 4 for me. Actually I'd probably rank it second after 4.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Also Frankie kicking like mad while still bound on the floor and Tammy with the shovel I assumed Siddiq fought too but that the flashbacks were for focusing on those who died. Rodney seemed to scared to fight back but I can't really blame him

I'd definitely liked to have seen more though, especially to clear up how each was taken and how exactly the deaths played out.

When hearing about this event in the comics I always assumed they were discreetly killed after being snatched without any of them knowing what was going on but having them all corralled together first just added so much more poignancy to it.



Best since 4 for me. Actually I'd probably rank it second after 4.

I was pleasantly surprised by Tammy fighting back! It was even better when we think back to how Tammy took on the walkers in 9x13(I think? The one where they introduced the Highwaymen). Every time I think about Frankie a part of me feels sad, because she was one of Negan's 'wives' and was pretty unique because she was the only one left (that we know of). They really could have done something with that, and even if they didn't, Frankie was now a mum. They could've at least seen her doing some mother/daughter stuff with her child in the last episode (I think Frankie only spoke like, one line while her daughter was stood next to her?) Seeing her fight so hard is even more heartbreaking when you consider the fact she's got a kid, a kid she adopted nonetheless.

Poor Rodney (I can't remember if it was him or Gage that taunted Lydia about Henry and Addy, or both, but still </3) really would've liked to have seen more of the teens (and the pike victims in general) but I'm still traumatised because Alpha just killed three teenage kids (I remember hearing Negan Lucille'd a sixteen year old kid and being disturbed. Now we've seen three decapitated kids ).

I do hope (and think) we'll see flashbacks. What I wanna know is, why didn't Alpha just kill them straight away? (Rhetorical, but I do wonder what people's opinions are - I can't think of a reason as to why she delayed killing them unless she tried to find more) Why did she capture them, tie them up, and then only decide to kill them once she got ambushed by DJ/Ozzy/Alek? She wasn't even watching them? She just decided to randomly walk in while the Whisperers were attacking them? Was there a reason she waited before she killed them?

And how did she kill them? (Rhetorical again) Did she decapitate them alive, or did she murder them by other means before cutting their heads off? I've got so many questions and I just want to know how it all went down . I dunno if seeing more of the fighting back scene (especially without music and not in slow motion, which would probably be necessary if they did try and explain the entire story) would ruin how touching it was, but I'm definitely curious as to how some of my favourite characters spent their last moments alive.

Yeah, that's what I assumed from the comics, too. According to Robert Kirkman (for the comics, this is), "Alpha probably lured people outside the fair, i.e. asking help finding someone, asking to carry something, etc."

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

As much as I miss Rick, this season has lowkey been really good. Perhaps the best since season 5ish.

I think it's because the show has a proper antagonist for the heroes to go up against this season, where as sadly for Rick most of his villains were mini-arcs with the exception of The Governor and Negan.

I haven't caught every episode this season but I do like Alpha and The Whisperers in general whenever I catch the show, it's a shame that villains like this weren't used in seasons 5 & 6 which both years desperately needed imo.

But yeah overall the season does look better than the last few seasons imo, if not still grinding my gears over the boring Soapy bits.

[Babayaro.]

What. The. ****.

Henry?! I did not see that coming at all. What a brilliant episode

[Babayaro.]

As much as I like Ezekiel, I think having him die fighting by Henry's side would have been amazing.

[Babayaro.]

Now imagine, that was how Carl died (and not Henry)

How ****ing insane would that be

[Amy Jade]

I could be wrong, I read the comics years ago and they deviate from the show so much I have made mistakes before but I think it is implied in the comics that people were lurked away before being attacked. They were all at a fair and Alpha lead them away from the group and that's the last you see of them until the border scene.

I do prefer how the show has handled it to be honest.

[Strictly Jake]

Just watched last night's it was a fantastic episode in fact I have adored season 9!! But it was heartbreaking. Sometimes the walking dead manages to touch on real life issues and then whole strangers united fighting a threat to the end etc really struck a cord with issues like terrorism so it was very powerful. Also seeing kids like Judith and Lydia knowing what background they have had since being very young just having joy on their faces at being able to watch a movie. That was pretty emotional too

[Nicky91]

very good episode, also what a sadistic psychopathic bitch this alpha is


the irony how Lydia wanted alpha not to get hurt, and her killing the one she really liked (Henry)


what i can see happening now

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Carol & Lydia bonding, more of a mother/daughter relationship, what Lydia also needs a true mother figure, rather than the psychopath alpha who has been a horrible mother to her

Ozzy and highwaymen killed off too soon



Negan should be let out of his cell now, and be in the Alexandria board as a sort of strategy advisor for Michonne, he'll also be furious after knowing alpha killed 2 of his saviours (Frankie, DJ) frankie also having been one of his wives


Beta's badass appearance was almost like (surprise, bitch you haven't seen the last of me)



overall i liked it, i was smiling at the start of ep with the fair, and at the end i was crying

[Niamh.]

This season has been amazing, I hadn't read any spoilers so it was so shocking, I was fully expecting the Kings head to be at the end so I was glad that didn't happen

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This season has been amazing, I hadn't read any spoilers so it was so shocking, I was fully expecting the Kings head to be at the end so I was glad that didn't happen

i was worried for Dog and Jerry honestly


it makes you sadder if you think more into who were on the pikes

- Enid never heard alden sing

- Henry never went to the movie with Lydia

- Tammy will never see her new son grow up

- Ozzy, Alek only got hired recently as guards with promise of seeing few movies, also never saw a movie



but also a few good things DJ, Frankie (formerly saviours) dying a heroic death trying to save the others (they failed but still, they died as heroes not villains)


Alpha killing the whisperer was more ''crying is a weakness'' he saw her cry and she doesn't want that to be seen

[user104658]

I was like but let's face it, no one is bothered about Henry being dead . Enid and Tara were shocks. But yes Nicky - I too was having a panic that the last head would be Dog! I would have boycotted the show. Best new character in years.

Comic / possible show spoilers:

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Do we reckon the show will follow the comics and it'll be Negan who kills Alpha? It would sort of play into this redemption arc he's got going on... and with Michonne leaving but (presumably) Judith not leaving, maybe Alpha in some way threatens Judith and Negan sees himself as her new protector . I believe in the comics, Alpha's death is what sparks the Whisperer war lead by Beta and it's eventually Aaron that shoots and kills Beta - but in the show I think it's a safe bet that it'll be a crossbow bolt from Daryl.

Also, I think in the comics, Beta kills Andrea whose role in the show has been filled by Michonne sooo... .

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Comic / possible show spoilers:

Spoiler:

Do we reckon the show will follow the comics and it'll be Negan who kills Alpha? It would sort of play into this redemption arc he's got going on... and with Michonne leaving but (presumably) Judith not leaving, maybe Alpha in some way threatens Judith and Negan sees himself as her new protector . I believe in the comics, Alpha's death is what sparks the Whisperer war lead by Beta and it's eventually Aaron that shoots and kills Beta - but in the show I think it's a safe bet that it'll be a crossbow bolt from Daryl.

Also, I think in the comics, Beta kills Andrea whose role in the show has been filled by Michonne sooo... .

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Negan killing Alpha would be so disappointing. Now them flipping it and having her kill him would be glorious but that's not happening I think Carol as Alpha's killer would be better, and nicely foreshadowed in the latest ep when Alpha said she can't wait to meet her.

Wasn't Andrea bit? I haven't read that far but I keep up with the general gist online but I'm sure I read she got bit and killed herself, quite like her TV counterpart if so

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

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Negan killing Alpha would be so disappointing. Now them flipping it and having her kill him would be glorious but that's not happening I think Carol as Alpha's killer would be better, and nicely foreshadowed in the latest ep when Alpha said she can't wait to meet her.

Wasn't Andrea bit? I haven't read that far but I keep up with the general gist online but I'm sure I read she got bit and killed herself, quite like her TV counterpart if so

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Yeah she was bitten but it was caused by Alpha... "murder by zombie" innit. They might make it Carol that kills Alpha but from what I can gather, Alpha's death is just the start of the war. Of course the show might flip that around and have Daryl kill Beta early sparking a war lead by Alpha.

[Ant.]

Spoiler:

Do we reckon the show will follow the comics and it'll be Negan who kills Alpha? It would sort of play into this redemption arc he's got going on... and with Michonne leaving but (presumably) Judith not leaving, maybe Alpha in some way threatens Judith and Negan sees himself as her new protector . I believe in the comics, Alpha's death is what sparks the Whisperer war lead by Beta and it's eventually Aaron that shoots and kills Beta - but in the show I think it's a safe bet that it'll be a crossbow bolt from Daryl.

Also, I think in the comics, Beta kills Andrea whose role in the show has been filled by Michonne sooo... .

[/QUOTE]

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I really hope Judith doesn't leave I really hope Carol ends up being Alpha's killer. I really do think "I hope to meet her" is foreshadowing - but a Savior mentioned having Ezekiel's head on a pike last season and lo and behold nothing came of that.
Spoilers for 9x16:

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I'm ngl, I scoffed a bit at the idea of Negan becoming paternal to Judith, even if they've clearly been going down that path Regardless, in the next episode Negan finds Judith freezing in the snow (she went out to find Dog - who is safe!! don't worry) and he saves her. So I guess you're right

Beta doesn't necessarily 'kill' Andrea I don't think? I believe Beta unleashes the mega herd and Andrea's part of a group sent out to kill the walkers, and she gets bit on her neck without realising. Then she turns and in a similar fashion to Amy, Rick handles her reanimated self crying and then puts her down

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Spoiler:

Negan killing Alpha would be so disappointing. Now them flipping it and having her kill him would be glorious but that's not happening I think Carol as Alpha's killer would be better, and nicely foreshadowed in the latest ep when Alpha said she can't wait to meet her.

Wasn't Andrea bit? I haven't read that far but I keep up with the general gist online but I'm sure I read she got bit and killed herself, quite like her TV counterpart if so

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Alpha killing Negan would be a PERFECT deviation! I never thought of that happening. I really like this idea + Carol killing her and I'm gonna be so disappointed that this won't happen

re: the last part, Andrea does get bit (on her neck, just like the show) and then she actually reanimates, she doesn't commit suicide. Rick puts her down
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After she dies Rick cries and Michonne comforts him saying "I'll be there for you, even when I'm not" or words to that effect and they lean on each other and smile so a part of me is thinking the comics are gonna copy the show for once and give us comic book Richonne

In regards to Michonne getting Andrea's death, I'd be really disappointed I really want Michonne to go off into the sunset with Rick (but I also want Judith to stay in the show and that won't happen if Rick returns/Michonne doesn't die so :/). Andrea's comic story has been fragmented among different characters (Sasha being the marksman (which actually prompted some people to think Sasha will be Rick's girlfriend ), Carol mothering girls (Andrea mothered another set of kids in the comics, one of which killed his brother, just like the Lizzie/Mika storyline, except Carol kills Lizzie whereas Carl kills Billy and Andrea can't), and a few others (Comic Michonne's story is similarly split up - Michonne's the one who has a breakdown at the welcome party in Alexandria instead of Sasha, for example). So hopefully someone else will get that death (although I don't really feel like it's necessary in the TV show)

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Spoiler:

Negan killing Alpha would be so disappointing. Now them flipping it and having her kill him would be glorious but that's not happening I think Carol as Alpha's killer would be better, and nicely foreshadowed in the latest ep when Alpha said she can't wait to meet her.

Wasn't Andrea bit? I haven't read that far but I keep up with the general gist online but I'm sure I read she got bit and killed herself, quite like her TV counterpart if so

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Samantha Morton is definitely in the best role of her career as Alpha

[user104658]

Also, did anyone else think "oooooh, a boss battle!" when Daryl and Beta both whipped out the dual-knives in ep 14?

[Nicky91]

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honestly i want alpha to die, cause then Beta will be the whisperers new leader and i find him such a badass, falling down the elevator shaft and surviving that

[Ant.]

If I can thank Season 9 for anything it's that I've LOVED Daryl this season. I was a fan between seasons 1-3 but I went off him Season 4 and I DESPISED him season 6 onwards

I should be bitter that he's getting the main connection with Lydia instead of Carl/'Henry' ('connection' because obviously Daryl ain't dating Lydia like Carl), a story with Beta (instead of Aaron/Jesus), and whatnot, but I'm not, and I actually think Beta vs Daryl is the best rivalry they could've went with with Beta.

I'm also living for Daryl's connection with Lydia. I really like they've sorta acknowledged Daryl's past with abuse (and on that note, Carol as well) through her, and I like how he's sort of becoming paternal with her. Also I LIVE for Daryl's cute friendship with Connie. When he learnt some sign language for her I was really scared they'd make him out to be some edgy loner recluse (which they sorta did) but I really think they've brought back the Daryl from earlier seasons. Daryl's back on form (which I'm really happy about because no doubt the shift will go to him and Carol with Michonne leaving and the idea of Daryl taking over Rick REPULSED me before Season 9 aired)

[Ant.]

9x16 spoiler talk

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I really like that Carol's going to live at Alexandria. She always felt out of place at the Kingdom, I dunno why, especially since she's been there since Season 7. Seeing Tara leading Hilltop in Season 9 from the getgo felt so natural - it was like she belonged there, more so than Alexandria. With Carol it never felt like she had her place at the Kingdom, so I'm glad she's back at Alexandria

(and with Daryl and Lydia? I've never been one for shipping but I would welcome Caryl happening with Carzekiel breaking up. Carol and Daryl has been my favourite dynamic since the early days.

Which reminds me of Carol's smug smile when she hears a motorbike during AOW ICONIC