[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

No I accept what you are saying
but it is not Brexit Alone,
If only you could agree?

Bloody China's Covid
halted our HGV drivers

I believe I've acknowledged that it has added to it, but how many specialised HGV drivers can complete their training and test per day?

If we take the last 500 days (just under 18 months), the UK would have to have got 200 drivers through their training and test per day, which is impossible.

This was projected to happen as part of brexit. A couple of days ago, you tried to pretend it was all covid in that stupid KFC thread, and wouldn't accept when I pointed out it was because of brexit.

Another thing you completely miss, is that if the largest companies in the uk market are having these issues, what do you think is happening further down the food chain?

[Cherie]

Listening to the HGV drivers this am on phone in's there are loads of factors

Tesco outsourcing their drivers, and no longer having their own drivers, how many more supermarket do this?

DVLA delays (experienced this ourselves Mr C waiting 3 months for his licence to be renewed ) and no one answering a phone

HGV drivers have to be 25 to get insurance even though they can get their licence at 18

Zero hour contracts - see Tesco who used to paid their drivers well and we on contracts but then outsourced

Delays at supermarkets unloading leading to loads being picked up late

Covid - people do not want to travel

Brexit


2,500 fee to apply for licence

Young people do not want to be lorry drivers they all want Uni or to be famous lol

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Listening to the HGV drivers this am on phone in's there are loads of factors

Tesco outsourcing their drivers, and no longer having their own drivers, how many more supermarket do this?

DVLA delays (experienced this ourselves Mr C waiting 3 months for his licence to be renewed ) and no one answering a phone

HGV drivers have to be 25 to get insurance even though they can get their licence at 18

Zero hour contracts - see Tesco who used to paid their drivers well and we on contracts but then outsourced

Delays at supermarkets unloading leading to loads being picked up late

Covid - people do not want to travel

Brexit


2,500 fee to apply for licence

Young people do not want to be lorry drivers they all want Uni or to be famous lol

Great Post Cherie

[Tom4784]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Tesco operate in the EU where no country is having these issues.

Delays at supermarkets are being caused by....

Zero hour contracts - it's really lovely to see people finally realise the absolute destruction being wrought upon society by capitalism. I take it Arista is now a Corbynista?

Ł11.30/hr stacking shelves in Aldi.
Ł11.80/hr for HGV drivers, who are only allowed to drive for 10 hrs per day, but will have to clock up 13-15/hr per days regularly to allow for load times. It's not much to do with being famous, it's to do with capitalism.


Again, no one is saying it's not a complicated issue with many factors, but I am definitely saying if we had remained we wouldn't have been having these issues that only we are having because we told EU drivers we don't want them anymore, or made their lives so difficult that it wasn't worth it.

As I already pointed out, all of these points only involve the biggest supermarkets/eateries, so what do people think is happening even lower down the food chain?

We're not even discussing farmers with all of their food rotting because the folks aren't there to pick it and transport it, or the fishermen that were lied to.

[bots]

spain have an acute hgv driver shortage too apparently

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

spain have an acute hgv driver shortage too apparently

I'm sure we'd all like hot HGV drivers

[Cherie]

he International Road Transport Union’s 2021 driver shortage survey has indicated that road transport companies expect a 10% rise in driver shortages this year.

In a statement published yesterday, the IRU explained that the coronavirus pandemic saw the shortage of truck drivers in Europe fall significantly in 2020 – from 24% to just 7%.

However, the survey also found that European companies are expecting a 17% shortfall in drivers this year. The 10% increase is on account of the extra demand created from economies across Europe recovering as vaccines allow lockdowns to be relaxed.

“Driver shortage threatens the functioning of road transport, supply chains, trade, the economy, and ultimately employment and citizens’ welfare. This is not an issue that can wait, action needs to be taken now,” said IRU Secretary General Umberto de Pretto.

According to the IRU, survey respondents cited a lack of trained drivers as the main cause in all regions (38% of the total respondents). Challenging working conditions, further exacerbated by the pandemic, and difficulties attracting women and young people to the profession were also mentioned.

The percentage of truck drivers under 25 fell nearly everywhere in 2020 and is down to 5% in Europe. The average age of drivers is increasing globally too, a trend the IRU has referred to as a “demographic time bomb” that will only get worse without action.

Last October, the IRU called on governments to make it easier for young adults to become lorry drivers. However, there are a number of barriers to entry that remain for those hoping to join the profession.

In this article we published following that IRU statement, a number of UK-based lorry drivers said that low pay, high training and insurance costs, as well as a lack of future prospects, make the position of lorry driver less attractive.

https://trans.info/en/iru-survey-eur...in-2021-226644

[Cherie]

We need robots, it's not a young person career

Arista?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We need robots, it's not a young person career

Arista?

Lack of Funding.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

spain have an acute hgv driver shortage too apparently

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm sure we'd all like hot HGV drivers

[arista]

Look Slim
Down Under Empty shelves as well
they had no Brexit?


Covid Problems like us.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Crimson Dynamo]

julie atkinson #ForeverEuropean #RejoinBlue heart #FBPA
@skatinggirl1
Flag of European UnionFlag of United KingdomHandshake#European #JohnsonOut


yep

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

julie atkinson #ForeverEuropean #RejoinBlue heart #FBPA
@skatinggirl1
Flag of European UnionFlag of United KingdomHandshake#European #JohnsonOut


yep

Did she write the article?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Did she write the article?

No the extreme left cash hungry dog whistle for hits hard left failed newspaper the independent did

Can you join the dots?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No the extreme left cash hungry dog whistle for hits hard left failed newspaper the independent did

Can you join the dots?

You ok, LT?

The independent isn't even a leftie paper, but do you think they're the only ones reporting the story? Would you like to comment on the story or just about the independent?

[Crimson Dynamo]

When you insult

You lose….....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When you insult

You lose….....

A simple no would have sufficed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A simple no would have sufficed.

So would a reply that did not break a tibb rule

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So would a reply that did not break a tibb rule

Which reply do you think breaks a tibb rule?

Can you do me a favour and post the tibb rule, too? I know you've been doing that a lot recently, so that would save some time for @mods and @admin.

[arista]

[Michel Barnier backs 'Frexit':
EU's former chief Brexit negotiator is branded
a 'hypocrite' after saying he wants France
to quit European courts of justice and human rights
Michel Barnier is considering running for the
French presidency next year
He said the role of the European Court
of Justice in France should be limited
He called for a referendum calling for
a ban on non-EU immigration to France]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...CJ-France.html

[arista]

This is a big Bully S.Bray
that needs to banned.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

This is a big Bully S.Bray
that needs to banned.

Poor little soul, he's still sulking because his fellow citizens didn't vote for what he wanted, and he's gonna let us know about it. He seems harmless enough to me, let him get on with it.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...-september-30/

The UK’s ambassador to the Netherlands has urged British nationals to submit their applications for residency before the post-Brexit ‘grace period’ ends at the end of the month.

The embassy and the Dutch immigration service IND estimate that around 2,000 Dutch-based Britons have not applied for either short-term or permanent residency since the UK left the European Union.



Joanna Roper warned that the process would become ‘more difficult’ after the September 30 deadline, though the Dutch government says it will continue to accept applications for another 12 months.

But she stressed that it had been a ‘very straightforward’ exercise for the 38,000 Britons who have secured residential status. The IND has set up an English-language web page and helpline for UK citizens who are applying for residency and sent out letters to people’s home addresses.

‘The Dutch have been very efficient at this,’ she said. ‘99% of people who have put their applications in have been approved, and if somebody forgets to include a piece of information there’s been opportunities to do that.

‘This is not about catching people out. It’s about giving people the opportunity to get their application in and continue living, working, studying and enjoying life in the Netherlands.’

No legal status

Ms Roper said people who missed the deadline could still apply for residency for up to another year, but stressed this is not an extension of the grace period and they will be technically living in the country illegally.

‘People can still submit an application, but the risks are that they might be not have access to services, to social security, tuition fees for students, or they may have problems taking out a mortgage,’ she said.

‘All those things you take for granted having achieved residency are likely to become a little bit more difficult, if not impossible. And if you haven’t got a legal basis to stay in a country then clearly that becomes very problematic indeed.

‘So our big message is, if you haven’t applied please do. You’ve got two weeks to do it, it is a straightforward process and the Dutch will reach out and try and support. And if you know other UK nationals, please get that message out to them as well.’

Flexible policy

Deputy justice minister Ankie Broekers-Knol said in a letter to parliament this month that the Dutch government would still accept applications until the end of September 2022 under the terms of the UK’s withdrawal agreement from the EU.

‘As long as these conditions are met and a Brexit residency document is issued, British citizens’ residential status will retrospectively be deemed legal,’ she wrote.

‘That means, for example, that any benefits and subsidies that were stopped as a result of their legal status changing can be repaid.

‘After this 12-month period, from October 1 2022, the more flexible policy for Britons applying for a Brexit residency document will end and they will be treated in the same way as other third-country nationals.’

98.4% accepted

Anyone who registered with a local authority (gemeente) in the Netherlands before the end of 2020 is eligible to apply for residency under the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement.

Those who have been in the country less than five years can apply for renewable limited-term residency, while people who arrived before the end of 2015 are eligible for permanent residency.

The IND’s latest figures show 98.4% of the 38,436 applications for residency so far have been accepted, while just 250 were rejected. Another 388 were not processed for other reasons, such as an applicant having obtained Dutch citizenship.

Another 5,612 EU residency permits have been exchanged for Dutch residential status under the terms of the withdrawal agreement.