[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Umm no I don't, read properly: "They thought it was funny", I didnt find it funny, they did. I was making the point that their intention was never to kill the child.

Not that that would stop you killing them. You really do seem to like the idea of being the decisive authority over who lives and dies.

by the way your reacting your excusing there reckless behaviour that could have killed the child.

and im saying who i should think should die and that is pedophiles and serial killers.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

I meant a "good family" as in someone who is not constantly physically or psychologically aboused. Obviously there will be stresses at times, but that is part of growing up.

And I don't know? I wasn't aware that was a problem.

Sure, there are stresses in all families, but individuals do react in very different ways so I can see it would be extremely difficult to isolate a single factor that would tip the balance from merely eccentric behaviour to full blown psychosis.

I am interested in those kids who are brought up in care homes, since they have obviously not experienced "parenting" in the conventional sense, and it would be interesting to know whether there is a higher or lower percentage of paedophiles etc whose early years, or indeed whole childhood, was spent in care.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by angus58

Sure, there are stresses in all families, but individuals do react in very different ways so I can see it would be extremely difficult to isolate a single factor that would tip the balance from merely eccentric behaviour to full blown psychosis.

I am interested in those kids who are brought up in care homes, since they have obviously not experienced "parenting" in the conventional sense, and it would be interesting to know whether there is a higher or lower percentage of paedophiles etc whose early years, or indeed whole childhood, was spent in care.

i think at least 70% would have had a bad childhood in one way or another.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Sure, there are stresses in all families, but individuals do react in very different ways so I can see it would be extremely difficult to isolate a single factor that would tip the balance from merely eccentric behaviour to full blown psychosis.

I am interested in those kids who are brought up in care homes, since they have obviously not experienced "parenting" in the conventional sense, and it would be interesting to know whether there is a higher or lower percentage of paedophiles etc whose early years, or indeed whole childhood, was spent in care.

Did 'Without Conscience' come yet?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Angus this is one hell of a thread you have created.lol

Yes, it's kind of taken on a life of its own, which goes to show that it is a hugely emotive and important issue to a lot of people. I'm glad it is being debated and taken seriously, whether I agree with some of the posts or not.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yes, it's kind of taken on a life of its own, which goes to show that it is a hugely emotive and important issue to a lot of people. I'm glad it is being debated and taken seriously, whether I agree with some of the posts or not.

im glad about it to.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Did 'Without Conscience' come yet?

It has, but I'm the sort of person who once I pick up a book I need to finish it, and as yet I haven't found the time to sit down and get stuck in. It might help if I could tear myself away from this forum!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

It has, but I'm the sort of person who once I pick up a book I need to finish it, and as yet I haven't found the time to sit down and get stuck in. It might help if I could tear myself away from this forum!

Ah yes, it's one you won't put down. Well log off and get reading then

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Cutting of someones hand is mutiliation, thats a completely inhumane and vile thing to do, and nobody in their right mind would implement such a policy.



What are you talking about, read the article again. They did it because they though it would be funny when they were high. They got caught when she showed someone the pictures, they hadnt taped him there to die.

And they were 10 years old ffs

Far from your views being the majority and intelligent, as some have said, I'd say they were rather worrying myself.

and James Bulger was 3 weeks shy of his THIRD birthday FFS.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

and James Bulger was 3 weeks shy of his THIRD birthday FFS.

this.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Ah yes, it's one you won't put down. Well log off and get reading then

Lol, I will soon seeing as how I was on here till nearly 5 this morning!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

by the way your reacting your excusing there reckless behaviour that could have killed the child.

and im saying who i should think should die and that is pedophiles and serial killers.

No, I'm making the point that killing them would be a completely disproportionate punishment relating to the crime.

Originally Posted by kazanne

and James Bulger was 3 weeks shy of his THIRD birthday FFS.

I don't see what point you are trying to make here.

Let me get one thing straight, what the two boys did to Bulger was absolutely despicable, abhorrent and disgusting, it's awful what they did to him and I am in no way trying to condone, justify or excuse Venables' and Thompson's behaviour.

But at the end of the day they were 10 years old. At that age they are young, susceptible, naive and not fully aware of the severity of their actions, even though they might have know they were wrong. The mindset they had back then is not the same as it is now, when they are adults who have gone through a process of rehabilitation, which admittedly may not have been completely effective with Venables. To hang someone for what they did when they were 10 would be completely unjust imo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

and James Bulger was 3 weeks shy of his THIRD birthday FFS.

I am amazed how anyone can overlook that fact kazanne,also jedward you are near spot on, In one of our lectures the indicative statistics for abusers having had a 'bad' or troubled past is 6.7 out of 10. Near spot on your 70%

The troubled and bad past should not however be in any way an excuse to sexually or otherwise abuse Children or murder them.
It can be a reason but never a justification in any way to try to negate the abuse.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yes, it's kind of taken on a life of its own, which goes to show that it is a hugely emotive and important issue to a lot of people. I'm glad it is being debated and taken seriously, whether I agree with some of the posts or not.

There's something I can agree with you on

[joeysteele]

I think we all could likely agree with that, I think this has been the best thread I have ever come across.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am amazed how anyone can overlook that fact kazanne,also jedward you are near spot on, In one of our lectures the indicative statistics for abusers having had a 'bad' or troubled past is 6.7 out of 10. Near spot on your 70%

The troubled and bad past should not however be in any way an excuse to sexually or otherwise abuse Children or murder them.
It can be a reason but never a justification in any way to try to negate the abuse.

i agree that theres no excuse for killing or raping someone.

[Mystic Mock]

bump.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

bump.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

whats so funny about bump?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

whats so funny about bump?

I just found it funny that the thread was being bumped after only twenty minutes of inactivity.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, I'm making the point that killing them would be a completely disproportionate punishment relating to the crime.



I don't see what point you are trying to make here.

Let me get one thing straight, what the two boys did to Bulger was absolutely despicable, abhorrent and disgusting, it's awful what they did to him and I am in no way trying to condone, justify or excuse Venables' and Thompson's behaviour.

But at the end of the day they were 10 years old. At that age they are young, susceptible, naive and not fully aware of the severity of their actions, even though they might have know they were wrong. The mindset they had back then is not the same as it is now, when they are adults who have gone through a process of rehabilitation, which admittedly may not have been completely effective with Venables. To hang someone for what they did when they were 10 would be completely unjust imo.

His name is James,NOT Bulger at least have a bit of respect .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, I'm making the point that killing them would be a completely disproportionate punishment relating to the crime.



I don't see what point you are trying to make here.

Let me get one thing straight, what the two boys did to Bulger was absolutely despicable, abhorrent and disgusting, it's awful what they did to him and I am in no way trying to condone, justify or excuse Venables' and Thompson's behaviour.

But at the end of the day they were 10 years old. At that age they are young, susceptible, naive and not fully aware of the severity of their actions, even though they might have know they were wrong. The mindset they had back then is not the same as it is now, when they are adults who have gone through a process of rehabilitation, which admittedly may not have been completely effective with Venables. To hang someone for what they did when they were 10 would be completely unjust imo.

Such good rehabilitation one is back where he belongs for child porn charges!no wonder people get angry over this.If people weren't so lazy and did their jobs properly then we would not need to be calling for the death penalty as people would be satiated by a life in prison sentence!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I just found it funny that the thread was being bumped after only twenty minutes of inactivity.

You seem more intersested in taking 'pops' at Jedward fever than the real subject here.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

His name is James,NOT Bulger at least have a bit of respect .

I always refer to people who I dont know by their surname, I'm not on first names terms with him, I dont know him personally so I wont pretend to do so by calling them "James".

Originally Posted by kazanne

Such good rehabilitation one is back where he belongs for child porn charges!no wonder people get angry over this.If people weren't so lazy and did their jobs properly then we would not need to be calling for the death penalty as people would be satiated by a life in prison sentence!

Well, he was obviously not rehabilitated fully so shouldnt have been released yet, but at least he hasnt killed again and Robert Thompson has kept out of trouble.

Originally Posted by kazanne

You seem more intersested in taking 'pops' at Jedward fever than the real subject here.

I wasnt taking a pop, I thought he was making a joke by bumping it, I genuinely didnt realise it was serious.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

His name is James,NOT Bulger at least have a bit of respect .

i dont mean to bring back some tough times kazanne but i want to show how bad them bastards was.

they skipped 3 police stations where they could have easily dropped him off until his parents found him,am i right in saying this kazanne that after killing james bulger they then put him on a railway track where the train ran him over?