[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

I think the fact that our soldiers are dying fighting a war that is not theres - affects us a lot!!! Why can't the people in Afghanistan or Iraq sort out their own problems - why do they create a culture that allows the likes of the Taliban to take over in the first place. That couldn't happen here. Then OUR troops have to go in and try and sort the situation out - and pay the price. These nations are always fighting amongst themselves and killing each other -they don't seem to have respect or compasion for anyone - just thousands of years of pent-up hate!!!Then they bring their hate here! Like many - sick of it!

[Tom4784]

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP? - generalisation and hyperbole.

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques? - that is because we are a Christian country and have been for many hundreds of years

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture? - i dont think any post has made a point about a persons character and 90% of the UK is white so the chances are far higher

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

Yes but I can read between the lines just fine.

So what if buildings like Mosques and such are being made? It's not like all immigrants come to this country to live off the dole, loads have a better work ethic then brittish people. Have you ever wondered why you see a lot of foreign cleaners and stuff? Because they'll do the jobs we look down our nose at. Immigrants more often then not pay their way, why should there not be places for people of different faith to worship? They'd have a long way to catch up before they could even graze the knee of the number of churches there are. They are far from taking over our culture, people have just let themselves be swayed by the Daily Mail and Nick Griffin.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

a few areas?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

Because quite a few of those Muslims are preaching hate against us on our own streets carrying out acts of terrorism against us - despite the fact that we do bend over backwards to accommodate them into our society. They are also killing our troops - or hadn't you noticed? A lot of the Taliban members over there are home grown - recruited from our own streets. You may be able to overlook that - but I am not.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@antidiscrimanatory laws like thats a bad thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem is when you have a go at this mess (and like in this thread) people start howling that you are saying the people are bad and no one yet has done that

[WOMBAI]

Whatever you say - this is a Christian country with its own heritage and culture - and that is how it should stay. We have as much right to preserve our culture as any other religion - and that is why so many feel so strongly about it.

Multiculture is fine - but Christianity should always be the dominant religion in this country along with the English culture and way of life.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Whatever you say - this is a Christian country with its own heritage and culture - and that is how it should stay. We have as much right to preserve our culture as any other religion - and that is why so many feel so strongly about it.

Multiculture is fine - but Christianity should always be the dominant religion in this country along with the English culture and way of life.

No this isnt a Christian country, this is a secular democratic country that accepts all cultures and religions. Our culture over time has been assimilated with other cultures, our heritage lives on within that, but cultures change and develop constantly as they have done throughout the centuries. I feel confident enough in my own identity as not to feel threatened by other cultures and difference

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

No this isnt a Christian country, this is a secular democratic country that accepts all cultures and religions. Our culture over time has been assimilated with other cultures, our heritage lives on within that, but cultures change and develop constantly as they have done throughout the centuries. I feel confident enough in my own identity as not to feel threatened by other cultures and difference

I don't see the Muslim religion doing much assimilating. They feel the most threatened of all - hence their usually violent reaction to any criticism. How has the Muslim religion developed and changed throughout the centuries?

The fact that you say that demonstrates my point - that some people are trying to change our identity. It has always been a democratic society - democratic and Christian. It may be multi-cultural - but it is predominantly English.

[NettoSuperstar!]

This is more like the true face of immigration

http://www.naar.org.uk/resources/PDF...ct%20sheet.pdf

http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/archiv.../0709/p5b.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4137990.stm

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

This is more like the true face of immigration

http://www.naar.org.uk/resources/PDF...ct%20sheet.pdf

http://www.poptel.org.uk/scgn/archiv.../0709/p5b.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4137990.stm

The best you can do is some bbc poll (i mean wtf) and some websites with agendas


whilst laid before you was a video of real life


well f me, you have us hands down

[WOMBAI]

Biased patronising claptrap.

[NettoSuperstar!]

No reasoned and backed up with evidence

[Novo]

Youtube video

This man speaks sense

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by .Andy.

Youtube video

This man speaks sense

That was brilliant. The most eleoquent and sensible speech I have heard on the subject. He was spot on.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That was brilliant. The most eleoquent and sensible speech I have heard on the subject. He was spot on.

No its the media that present this picture not the general muslim community. what this man is lacking is rational perspective!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

No its the media that present this picture not the general muslim community. what this man is lacking is rational perspective!

Sorry - but, from my experience, he is not. Many Muslims are totally irrational in their over-reaction to many things - ie the way they threaten the lives of people who disagree with their views and say something they consider offensive - a good case in point is Salmon Rushdie (probably spelt that wrong) - a very public case - but it has happened many times.

We all find things offensive - (some people are extremely offensive) - but it doesn't justify threats of violence and death.