[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

'A Muslim country is a Muslim country' - if that comment doesn't excuse such double standards, I don't know what does! This is Britain - with a predominantly British culture - give some people an inch and they take a mile!

Our culture has ties to many countries and civilisation's cultures though, If you look into the history of things you'd be surprised by how little culture we actually possess that doesn't derive from somewhere else.

[BB_Eye]

I think they should ban the use of the term 'creme anglaise' in English as it is so offensive to "British culture" and so insufferably French.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You should get ready to post your apology for your post above.

Go Google Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP. Then come back and post your apology.

So one MP shouting for it to be banned means it will be?

Grow the flick up, thats not how democracy nor the UK legislative procedure works. So by all means please do hold your breath waiting for that apology.

Try this the government may allow Hollobone to introduce a Private Members Bill (if you dont know what that is, go google), he may even gain some support for it, however while the majority of MP's and even the public may actually support the idea in private, they wont vote for it.

Here is why it wont come into effect in the UK(its complex Abhorsen so you may have to read it once or twice), It isnt yet law in France(another BS claim on your part) till its gone through the Senate and then been reviewed by their legal watchdog, after that it may be challenged in the European Court of Human Rights.

If we bring a ban on it onto the statute books when Europe says a ban is discriminatory the UK Government will have to hand out compensation. And we will have to because the UK legislature have a habit of completely mucking up even the simplest legislation and agreeing to compo being paid out when there was no requirement, (Pregnant females losing jobs in the Armed Forces, prisoners being paid for slopping out cells springs to mind there).

Whereas the UK tend to listen to Europe, the French think they own Europe and that European rulings dont really apply to them, hence why hauliers and farmers are still waiting for compensation from the French for coming close to 20 years for burning lorries containing sheep.

Whilst it may seem to be a great idea to ban what people can wear in public, we have other laws that allow freedom of expression and religious belief. Although some schools of Islam insist a burkha is not a requirement, some schools do, and the end result is punishing and criminalising all the women who do wear one whether they have been forced to, brainwashed into or believe themselves it is right to wear one.

But the big thing is we expect ourselves to be classed as a multicultural society and then ostracise some members of that society for following what they rightly or wrongly believe is a requirement of their faith.

Now it really is a shame if some feminists and other PC advocates view allowing women to wear a burkha as a slight against a womans rights etc. and their feelings are hurt by this. But can you really see many muslim women who wear them testifying against their husband or family saying they mde them wear it?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Oops I had forgotten how you had risen above any such behaviour!

Evidently, considering how I am not proposing that we simply go 'tit for tat' on oppresive, freedom restricting Sharia laws. Probably because I was blessed with a political conciousness above that of the level of a seven year old.

Nice arguments.

[Stu]

No, tit for tat is never the answer. That is the political view of a seven year old. The type of social justification a child would exhibit. The type of behaviour that gave us World Wars, non World Wars, and all associated shitty film adaptations.

Tit for tat and we wouldn't be having this convorsation. We would be extinct. Lead by example. An eye for an eye and we are all blind.

Yes, I'm having to quote Gandhi. The fucking racist.

[arista]

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

That Tory MP has probably the right idea to discourage the wearing of the Burka, just as post offices, shops and banks should refuse service to those wearing them too. No doubt though the PC brigade will jump on it as discrimination.

[Stu]

'Bend over backwards for Muslims'. You make it seem like such a struggle. I just don't care if they wrap themselves in fucking towels to espouse their ye olde religious views. They should be ordered to take them off in certain situations as Shasown alluded to but apart from that I couldn't care less. It should be their right. Funny that you didn't answer back the other part of my post. You know, tit for tat causing so much misery in human history. You seem intent on never taking responsibility for the actual hard hitting content of my posts, and instead choose to continually focus on what you percieve as threats to your existence/me blowing my own trumpet. So how about it? Tit for tat is a childish view and it never gets us anywhere. It's been proven, darling. It's a childish, politically handicapped, overly simplistic view for armchair pundits to foolishly offer up as a solution.

It's the political equivalent of going 'I know you are but what are my?'.

What's more you already clearly have a giant Muslim sized chip on your shoulder so your views on Muslim things will always be biased methinks. You seem to have a rather rage fuelled passion towards continually pointing out things that may or may not have been brought on by ... aint your son over in what that war?

You want to deny the woman a right to wear one. I get it. Jeez.

[MrGaryy]

What I can't understand is the sheer hypocrisy of certain members in this thread that - putting all technicalities aside and looking at the issue as black and white as it really is - ultimately want to take away a woman's right to wear what she wants, in order to save the feelings of those who fight for women's rights.


okayyyy.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't believe Muslim women should have the 'right' to wear the burka in public in Britain! I think the 'right's' of the non-muslim majority take presidence in this country! If you don't agree with that - fine!

If you are going to continue throwing in childish, sexist remarks like calling me darling (and in the same sentence that you call me childish) in an attempt to undermine my opinion and dismiss me as a women, which by the way applies to half the members on this forum, then you can do one - as no doubt you would be the first to complain if I started making homophobic remarks in an attempt to undermine you and your opinions! Cheap trick - and quite frankly you are not worth the effort of responding to!

What right of non Muslim majorities? The right to see Muslim women's chins? The right to deny a right? And still no word on the tit for tat? Too busy trying to save womens rights and preserve freedom, are we?

You think I am being sexist by calling you darling? Oh for the love of fuck. I do think you are being childish but what would I have to gain from being sexist? And why do you instantly take 'darling' to be trying to undermine your status as a woman? GET REAL.

The world isin't out to get everyone with a vagina.

FREEDOM IS BLACK AND WHITE. YOU DO NOT GET TO TOY WITH IT. IT'S NOT THERE TO BE SHAPED INTO WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

What right of non Muslim majorities? The right to see Muslim women's chins? The right to deny a right? And still no word on the tit for tat? Too busy trying to save womens rights and preserve freedom, are we?

You think I am being sexist by calling you darling? Oh for the love of fuck. I do think you are being childish but what would I have to gain from being sexist? And why do you instantly take 'darling' to be trying to undermine your status as a woman? GET REAL.

The world isin't out to get everyone with a vagina.

No - just you, it seems!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

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No - just you, it seems!

Once again you refuse to answer much of anything in my post and choose to stick your head in the sand. To suggest that using the word 'darling' is akin to being a sexist pig is incredibly low. Why would I be sexist? What have I got to gain from it? Eh?

You are a shining example for all women. Quite the fucking suffragette.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

What right of non Muslim majorities? The right to see Muslim women's chins? The right to deny a right? And still no word on the tit for tat? Too busy trying to save womens rights and preserve freedom, are we?

You think I am being sexist by calling you darling? Oh for the love of fuck. I do think you are being childish but what would I have to gain from being sexist? And why do you instantly take 'darling' to be trying to undermine your status as a woman? GET REAL.

The world isin't out to get everyone with a vagina.

FREEDOM IS BLACK AND WHITE. YOU DO NOT GET TO TOY WITH IT. IT'S NOT THERE TO BE SHAPED INTO WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

"Freedom is black and white" - as I have said before, go preach that inspired little message to the Muslims - they are the ones most in need of a lecture on freedom!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

"Freedom is black and white" - as I have said before, go preach that inspired little message to the Muslims - they are the ones most in need of a lecture on freedom!

Indeed they do need a lecture on freedom. But we are not talking about Muslim laws in the Middle East. We are talking about British laws in jolly old freedom loving Britainia.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Simply back-tracking because I called you up on it! You often resort to sexist name calling in 'debates' with me! It is a recognised sexist remark - deny that all you like - and that is clearly how you are using it! I have pretty much ignored it in the past - but am sick of it now - which is why I drew an end to my post!

Recognized sexual remark? Maybe it is where you live. I am not sexist. It's amazing that we have once again reached this point. With you again asserting that the person you are speaking with is a sexist. You are so ultra reactionary, insecure, irrational and in over your head it beggars belief. You dive into things without a moment of comprehension with all the neurotic grace of a TV being chucked out a fucking window.

Seriously, WOMBAI? Fuck you.

I use it in a patronizing context, I admit that. But not a sexist one. I use the same word in arguments with men on this forum you tit.

[MrGaryy]

Don't worry WOMBAI I feel your pain. One time, Stu called me 'sweetie'... It was just awful

[Stu]

Eveyone knows I am the best homophobic, sexist, biggoted, war mongering ultra conservative thing to ever happen to this forum xx.

[MrGaryy]

Don't even get me started on your homophobia. You're worse than Conzors.

[Stu]

Conzors beats the crap out of gay men. I think they pay him first, though.

[MrGaryy]

He's probably doing likewise to WOMBAI now, hence her lack of reply. He hates women, you see, like yourself.

[Stu]

S'right Garry. This is one of the many contexts where I am an ardent woman basher.

[Stu]

It must be horrible to still have monsters like me undermining your status as a woman.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

What I can't understand is the sheer hypocrisy of certain members in this thread that - putting all technicalities aside and looking at the issue as black and white as it really is - ultimately want to take away a woman's right to wear what she wants, in order to save the feelings of those who fight for women's rights.


okayyyy.

Why any woman would want to wear it is beyond me really. Says nothing about it in the quran.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

It must be horrible to still have monsters like me undermining your status as a woman.

Correction - attempting to undermine etc!

[brian3]

Originally Posted by InOne

Why any woman would want to wear it is beyond me really. Says nothing about it in the quran.

Why anyone likes Jonathan Ross is beyond me. But I dont think Ross fans should be banned from walking the streets