[Abhorsen]

The Burka is to be banned in the UK. And why not?

[InOne]

I doubt it will be. We're too PC.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

The Burka is to be banned in the UK. And why not?

Anything like a link or some other proof to back up this ludicrous claim?

[30stone]

It be good but i dont think it will happen.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Anything like a link or some other proof to back up this ludicrous claim?

You should get ready to post your apology for your post above.

Go Google Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP. Then come back and post your apology.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by 30stone

It be good but i dont think it will happen.

They didn't think it would happen in France etc. but it has.

[Simone.]

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Simone.

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

Why not?

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Simone.

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

[Tom4784]

I couldn't care either way really.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I couldn't care either way really.

Then why post?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

I agree with this 100%.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Then why post?

Because it's my opinion that I don't care and I'm allowed to share my apathy on the matter.

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because it's my opinion that I don't care and I'm allowed to share my apathy on the matter.

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

What about just not doing out of respect for the country they are in? What you said basically shows how backwards the Middle East is in some places.

[Patrick]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

Get in!
This is good I *****ing hate seeing women wearing them in the UK when it isn't our culture.
This is great, this is really really great.

I hope they do bring this law in because people should not be allowed to wear them over here.

Oh thank you lord!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Patrick

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

Get in!
This is good I *****ing hate seeing women wearing them in the UK when it isn't our culture.
This is great, this is really really great.

I hope they do bring this law in because people should not be allowed to wear them over here.

Oh thank you lord!

No proof just yet lol Can't see it happening myself.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

What about just not doing out of respect for the country they are in? What you said basically shows how backwards the Middle East is in some places.

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. They probably don't even know what goes in those kind of countaries. I'm sure if they did they wouldn't be wearing it, unless they're forced, of course...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. They probably don't even know what goes in those kind of countaries. I'm sure if they did they wouldn't be wearing it, unless they're forced, of course...

I don't agree with the message of the Burkha but we can't ban it either without being hypocrites. If someone chooses to wear it then there's little room for debate really.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't agree with the message of the Burkha but we can't ban it either without being hypocrites. If someone chooses to wear it then there's little room for debate really.

I'm sure it's not the first time the goverment have been hypocrites, so there is still hope.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

Hang on a minute, you say "obviously there should be some restrictions", you can't say in one breath there should be freedom for burkas just because you don't care about them but in the next breath you say someone can't wear a hooded top.

And why are you making value judgements about so called 'hoodies' while you assume that anyone wearing a burka must be OK?

Explain how a hooded top is LESS of a security issue than a burka? Remember - anyone could wear a burka if they choose to under the current system.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. ...

Also, why are British troops fighting in those countries because of that kind of oppression while it is OK here.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

LOL.

It's like I have fallen out of a wormhole and into the Have Your Say section of a Daily Mail article.

Nobody really gives a flying fuck about ol' queenie, do they? I'm sure if you want to get anal about it then you actually are 'subjects' but in the minds of the people they certainly don't see themselves as subjects. At least the vast, vast majority don't. Most don't give her a moments thought. A lot of people see her as the figurehead of a dated concept with all the cultural influence of a fucking cement mixer.

The queen is dead.

Celebrate.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Stu

LOL.

It's like I have fallen out of a wormhole and into the Have Your Say section of a Daily Mail article.

Nobody really gives a flying fuck about ol' queenie, do they? I'm sure if you want to get anal about it then you actually are 'subjects' but in the minds of the people they certainly don't see themselves as subjects. At least the vast, vast majority don't. Most don't give her a moments thought. A lot of people see her as the figurehead of a dated concept with all the cultural influence of a fucking cement mixer.

The queen is dead.

Celebrate.

Wow, how eloquent. LOL.

You have obviously just fallen out of bed, after dossing all day and couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread.

'Kicking' back at the *man* while dossing on the dole are you? Or still living off Mum and Dad?

You have taken the quote out of context and made yourself look stupid.

This isn't about the Queen. Grow up.