[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by as90

And you think Christians are not real people, you have no clue do you, you should to go along to a Christian meeting before you can properly judge and read some of the Bible. You honestly think Christians are not allowed to sit and talk about people as he is doing. I think he is trying to reach out to people by finding their level. Your perceiving this are being hypocritical whereas he sees it as necessary to get his message across.

A lot of simple people have this kind of thinking:

Christians claim to be perfect. If you see a Christian being imperfect then you have proven they are wrong. Therefore you don't need to explain anything you have ever done. Its all 'canceled out'. God is not real.

In fact I have to give David credit due for one thing he has properly represented:
Christians are not perfect. Just forgiven. Church is a 'school for sinners' and not a 'sanctuary for saints'.
This is our Gospel.
Christ IS perfect. We are not.

[chuff me dizzy]

I dislike him for a LOT of reasons ,but HATE him for his religious bull$h1t

[SFGiantsfan]

I consider myself an open minded person but Dave comes across as a fake. He says he's against gay marriage but every chance he gets he's hugging up on the male housemates. I also get the impression that he walks all over his wife.

[supergirthuk]

Not bothered about his religious views or how he earns a crust. Hate him cos he's welsh.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by supergirthuk

Not bothered about his religious views or how he earns a crust. Hate him cos he's welsh.

That's more like it.

[Hero1]

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

[as90]

Originally Posted by Hero1

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

Go and live in a country where Christians are persecuted and come back and see if you have the same views. And lol about the laughing part. Absolute tosh you speak.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by as90

Go and live in a country where Christians are persecuted and come back and see if you have the same views. And lol about the laughing part. Absolute tosh you speak.

Erm, I have been Baptised, fast monthly.

I would never dream of making money of christ and any congregation, rather kill myself first.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Hero1

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good..........................

A well thought out post, but i think you are overestimating him.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

A well thought out post, but i think you are overestimating him.

Basically i should have said, he has snake like actions.

He is like the snake that got Eve to bite into the apple.

He has the ablity to get you to trust in him for your money and to end your dreams with his nominations, whilst fooling you into believing he is your friend.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Hero1

Basically i should have said, he has snake like actions.

He is like the snake that got Eve to bite into the apple.

He has the ablity to get you to trust in him for your money and to end your dreams with his nominations, whilst fooling you into believing he is your friend.

I don't think he's as cunning or intelligent as you would like to believe.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Hero1

I dislike like him because he clearly is using methods used in a counselling and psychology world CONSTANTLY. These methods are somewhat manipulative if used outside of an professional setting, it is adopted to build trust Client/patient and professional trusts and get people talking.

These are mimicking persons actions, body, tone, eye contact, speech and actions. Even then a counsellor or a psychologist will limit these emapthic actions, Dave does these full throttle.

If someone is laying down, he will lay down, if someone is painting nails, he will paint nails, if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man, if someone drinks, he will drink, if someone looks sad, he looks sad, if someone is laughing he will laugh (it is all done to get people talking and trust in him)...however, he has another trick up his sleeve, where he will laugh to make people feel good.

Of course there is nothing wrong with what he is doing, but he knows what he is doing to build trust, keep himself safe and backstab whilst looking like the Good christian.

Quite honestly, I never agree with anyone pimping Christ to make a living full stop. Use Christ to give back to the community and help the poor, FINE, but not to invade a hard days work and pay your bills by using christ.

I notice he does these 'mirroring' types of things but that is not necessarily something contrived and being manipulated.
It is true that psychologists, counselors and too often salesmen do these things,
but,
in fact, it is natural for highly empathetic people to do this and very often they don't realize they are doing it.
It is also a type of behavior seen in people who are seeking empathy and want to be trusted and accepted. It goes both ways.
So far, I don't see anything 'nefarious' in this and does seem to be a 'natural' part of his personality.

I would strongly agree that anyone thinking the Gospel is some way to make money is a perverse mind,
however,
IF we are talking about a pastor or priest who was asked to devote themselves full-time to the congregation?
Sure, of course they can be paid for their time. That is for the congregation to decide (ultimately) and so be it and nothing wrong. Of course they are not being 'paid for the Gospel' but for their time.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I notice he does these 'mirroring' types of things but that is not necessarily something contrived and being manipulated.
It is true that psychologists, counselors and too often salesmen do these things, but, in fact, it is natural for highly empathetic people to do this and very often they don't realize they are doing it.
It is also a type of behavior seen in people who are seeking empathy and want to be trusted and accepted. It goes both ways.
So far, I don't see anything 'nefarious' in this and does seem to be a 'natural' part of his personality.

Well said, my thoughts exactly.

[lynette]

Originally Posted by Hero1

if someone is hunging a man, he will hung a man,

You can't mean HANGING - that wouldn't be allowed in BB UK

Do you mean HUGGING?

[Patricia4]

I dont dislike him for his religious I dislike like him because he's very two faced and sly.

[Bigbrofan25]

I was rasied catholic and I do NOT hate dave for is religion at all but he goes over the top with the getting drunk thing and the fact he is a protestant getting drunk on the word would be branded a herotic in church terms

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

I was rasied catholic and I do NOT hate dave for is religion at all but he goes over the top with the getting drunk thing and the fact he is a protestant getting drunk on the word would be branded a herotic in church terms

What are your ideas on him conning money out of cancer victims ?

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What are your ideas on him conning money out of cancer victims ?

Plain sick and discusting is my view on that

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

Plain sick and discusting is my view on that

He should never have been allowed in the house ,whos on standby to come in Hooky ?

[Tamtam]

I used to really like Dave, but then because of what i was reading I actually did some reading and I have to say it put me right off him

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He should never have been allowed in the house ,whos on standby to come in Hooky ?

No he shouldn`t have been allowed in the house all he is doing is advertising his own self interests

Fact is to make huge claims that if you donate money you`ll get cured of cancer? is wrong and its sick boasting about it makes it even more sick on national TV

He is using religion to con people thats what they do some of those protestant ministers change it to suit themselves

Oh by the way mr dowling was rasied as catholic too btw

[Crimson Dynamo]

the guy is a faker

plain old snake oil salesman

and about as slippery

[MargeryFan]

One of the nicest, most genuine people in there!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by MargeryFan

One of the nicest, most genuine people in there!

If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApP...eature=related

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by fingers

If you can watch these Vids and still say that, there is no hope!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOQyikIUdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAUIaMM5zQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utyQLbtlv8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApP...eature=related

Some folk eh ?