[Julie10]

Originally Posted by karezza

Mindless teenage girls can't see below the surface - even Josie said he is an oddball & a weirdo.

So why is she still clinging to him like a limpit?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by walter

not really wanting their opinion but their reasons. That last bit seems a bit of hate. he really isnt that bad

Ok heres my reasons:

He picks on meeker people
He is always banging on about how "wonderful" he is (in a round about way of course)
He thinks he knows everything
He is false
He is using Josie
He is a liar
His picking on Ben is beyond a joke
He is a hypocrite
He is sly
He bitches as much as anyone
He is a coward.........................
I'm sure i can find more

[walter]

i dont agree with some of them but fair enough.

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by walter

i know he has loads of support i just keep reading threads about how much people hate him. Really annoys me cause he aint that bad.

I would have been the same with rachael as john james was. I hate girls like her as well and i'm sure there are loads of people who have the same feeling. Girls who think they are **** hot need bringing down a peg or two.

Its up to them to think they are hot what business is it of yours or anybody for that matter? And usually they don't think they are hot its jealous people that label them as being this and that to make themselves feel better.

When you bring them down a peg or two its usually down to spite and jealousy.

[ibook4113]

sociopath? haha. I don't think so. I think he is very genuine, i think he can go overboard with some things but i think he is a really nice guy.

And for the people who say mother complex? WHat? do you think he has any awareness of this? I don't think so. We wouldn't normally hold any mental issue people have against them, but apparently it is okay to hold it against john james, that is quite rude.

Originally Posted by kazanne

Ok heres my reasons:

He picks on meeker people
He is always banging on about how "wonderful" he is (in a round about way of course)
He thinks he knows everything
He is false
He is using Josie
He is a liar
His picking on Ben is beyond a joke
He is a hypocrite
He is sly
He bitches as much as anyone
He is a coward.........................
I'm sure i can find more

"He is always banging on about how "wonderful" he is (in a round about way of course)" what does this even mean????

Ben is an arsehole who does all the things you have mentioned here (minus the Josie stuff) so surely you should dislike ben as much as john james.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

sociopath? haha. I don't think so. I think he is very genuine, i think he can go overboard with some things but i think he is a really nice guy.

And for the people who say mother complex? WHat? do you think he has any awareness of this? I don't think so. We wouldn't normally hold any mental issue people have against them, but apparently it is okay to hold it against john james, that is quite rude.



"He is always banging on about how "wonderful" he is (in a round about way of course)" what does this even mean????

Ben is an arsehole who does all the things you have mentioned here (minus the Josie stuff) so surely you should dislike ben as much as john james.

hows ben a hypocrite? and who does ben pick on?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

sociopath? haha. I don't think so. I think he is very genuine, i think he can go overboard with some things but i think he is a really nice guy.

And for the people who say mother complex? WHat? do you think he has any awareness of this? I don't think so. We wouldn't normally hold any mental issue people have against them, but apparently it is okay to hold it against john james, that is quite rude.



"He is always banging on about how "wonderful" he is (in a round about way of course)" what does this even mean????

Ben is an arsehole who does all the things you have mentioned here (minus the Josie stuff) so surely you should dislike ben as much as john james.

Have you not heard his moral high ground speeches.lol,he talks as though he is is the patron saint of fairness and morals,this thread is about JJ nothing to do with Ben,we were asked reasons those are SOME of mine,i forgot to add he was aggresive though.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

hows ben a hypocrite? and who does ben pick on?

Ben tends to make jibes at most people, he doesn't directly pick on people, but his constant jibes at others come close to picking on people.

He is a hypocrite. He always says how he likes people even for their bad qualities. But it is a lie. He complains about people but wraps it in a compliment, and he has done it with everyone.
He will says 'I love 'so-and-so' but i find 'this' really annoying about them, but i like them for it anyway'. Which is a lie if he is annoyed he should say it, not wrap it up in a hypocritical phrase.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ibook4113

Ben tends to make jibes at most people, he doesn't directly pick on people, but his constant jibes at others come close to picking on people.

He is a hypocrite. He always says how he likes people even for their bad qualities. But it is a lie. He complains about people but wraps it in a compliment, and he has done it with everyone.
He will says 'I love 'so-and-so' but i find 'this' really annoying about them, but i like them for it anyway'. Which is a lie if he is annoyed he should say it, not wrap it up in a hypocritical phrase.

he aint close to picking on anybody and his lying when he says he loves them that dosent mean his a hypocrite.

[ibook4113]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Have you not heard his moral high ground speeches.lol,he talks as though he is is the patron saint of fairness and morals,this thread is about JJ nothing to do with Ben,we were asked reasons those are SOME of mine,i forgot to add he was aggresive though.

Yeh, he mentioned that one or twice.
I am trying to bring in consistency to the argument. The start of this thread was about why people hate john james, i am making a point that while some hate him they have singled him out for reasons that actually apply to most people in the house, particularly Ben.

Ben is getting more aggressive in my opinion, in the way he speaks. He has started to swear more and more about people too. John James hasn't *ever*
been physically aggressive.

Originally Posted by jedward fever

he aint close to picking on anybody and his lying when he says he loves them that dosent mean his a hypocrite.

yes it does. He says one thing 'he likes them', then he contradicts it 'i hate them for this', then finished it again with a contradiction that he 'love them anyway'. Being there is a contradiction, that would make his statement hypocritical, because they imply one thing, and do another - they imply a compliment, but insult someone.

[Kazanne]

Well he knows not to be 'physically' aggresive doesn't he?no way does he want to be removed from that house,lol ,it's his life at the moment,and as for Ben lying that's not so,I have friends who I love but they still annoy me i often say to them "I love you to bits,but" most of us do it and when Ben does talk about anyone it is usually just when he has been derided by them,that is human we do that too,so NO Ben is nowt like crabeyes.I see no signs of ben getting more aggressive,as he never has been,I am just annoyed that Ben hasn't drop kicked the obnoxious one.

[walter]

Originally Posted by Julie10

Its up to them to think they are hot what business is it of yours or anybody for that matter? And usually they don't think they are hot its jealous people that label them as being this and that to make themselves feel better.

When you bring them down a peg or two its usually down to spite and jealousy.

they can think it its just the way she went about it. so how do people who hated rachael but like john james work then if they are both good looking. surely people should dislike both if its a jealous reason. and rachael wasnt good looking anyway

[walter]

ben is more innocent when he bitches. i think thats the reason why people think john james is horrible and ben isnt.

john james and ben are my favourites so doesn't bother me personally

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by walter

ben is more innocent when he bitches. i think thats the reason why people think john james is horrible and ben isnt.

john james and ben are my favourites so doesn't bother me personally

Imo,Ben points out things that are true and usually when someone has a go at him,you cant blame him for that,JJ on the other hand is more sneaky and drops hints but i usually know who he is on about,he goes on and on at ben for things that happened weeks ago so imo,JJ sees Ben as a target and i dont like that,he LOVES pulling Ben apart,you can see it.

[walter]

i know what you mean but to me john james is pissing about and ben doesnt really give a ****. sometimes it gets to him and john james does apologise when hes gone to far.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Oh plz say its true?

Ive just cum.

*passes tissue*

[flamingGalah!]

Please don't let him back in!!

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

why has he walked?

did Josie eat his last bag of crisps?

[Kazanne]

He'll be back stop fretting ya all,this means too much to him

[walter]

whats happened ?

[BBfan46]

He insults different people each week and waits for a chance to clash with them, he says he doesn't give a **** about the public but spends large amounts of time on LF 'justifying' his aggressive actions, he leads Josie on despite claiming over and over again that he doesn't like her and I don't care what John James' fans say rubbing someone's tits is flirting at the minimum and on top of it he's probably going to win because a lot of teenage girls think he's good looking, It's ridiculous and not the way the last BB Winner should be.