[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

I stand corrected .. as a man of the cloth it is immoral to hold the bible in one hand and defame those he professes to Love.
It is a gross insult to his Faith, my Faith and infact any Faith at all.

[flamingGalah!]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED

[Late for the Party]

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about!

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

you wont get it as it is fictitious

hence the only people who do pretend to get it are the needy and gullible


think of it as a numpty identifier

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:

Youtube video

precisely

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame

I still require it

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

Yes, mentally deficient people

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

That is an extremely traumatic event and is a bad comparison.

David is not scared stiff, maybe a little mentally deficient

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine that he is very careful about anyone finding out about his, ahem, "income stream"

it will never be videoed that is for sure

[Shasown]

If you look at his videos, there are signs in some that say Free Healing. He offers blessings which he claims are from "God" and that god can cure people or at least make their lives better.

Him using a wheelchair is probably due to the drunk state he claims God's Love puts him in, or as apparent in one video as an attractor to the public, he doesnt claim to be physically unable to walk. (Careful editing?).

If he did make claims of being able to cure people and asked for money he would open himself up for prosecution under Consumer Protection Regulations. Similarly if he started diagnosing illness he would also be open under the Medical Act 1983.

The important thing to remember legally is that saying he did cure someone and saying he can cure someone are two entirely different things, one allows you to verify his claim if you want to. The other allows him to hide behind "the God will provide the cure" defence.

The form of healing he is offering is akin to Spiritual Healing and Reiki etc, which are recognised alternative therapies and are legal.

In my opinion he is not a lot different to buskers on the street an annoyance to some and entertaining to others.

[housemate]

He is doing this in the name of God, not as an alternative Health Practioner.
He wasn't (as far as I'm aware) asking for donations on that street but he was asking people to join his Organisation ... as I have said previously, these sects, or whatever you choose to call them cannot run on fresh air.
I always give money to Buskers, Big Issuers and down and outs and the Sick ....or anybody in need come to that... these are generally the people who are most likely to reach out for any chance of hope and whom Davids Sloshfests and offers of salvation appear to be aimed at.

[flamingGalah!]

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Another point, did anyone hear the converstaion between Dave & Mario, when Mario thought Dave lived in Newbury?

Dave said he didn't live there then said " I wish I did, lotsa money there..."

Obviously thinks his cult could con a pretty penny out of those west Berkshire folk...

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

Come on then lets see what spin you can put on that then...

I swear if he bit the head off a puppy you would find some acceptable reason for him doing it...

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That remark could mean anything - that is just you putting your rather twisted interpretation onto it! Nothing more!

You Are just here to back him, no matter what aren't you! I really hope that someone YOU love doesn't ever come into contact, through desperation, with the likes of Dave or his cronies

[WOMBAI]

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Undoubtedly Christianity today does have a very dated, dictorial, reserved and austere image - one with which doesn't sit well with today's youngsters, who have grown up in a more free-thinking generation!

As a result - the number of Christians and churchgoers have dropped significantly! I can understand the idea that Dave's group have adopted and tried to attach a more 'modern' fun image onto Christianity with their less formal, unreserved, sloshfests and publicity stunts! All about 'reaching' a wider audience! It doesn't make it sinister!

Whether people approve is a matter of taste, but if their sentiments behind it are genuine, and as far as I can see - there is no reason to suppose they are not - that is what counts - not the way they go about it - surely!

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

If it was a sincere I might agree but piecing together the you tube vids and what I see hear him saying in the house (lets not go over it again ... I have personally heard him go against the principles he proffesses to teach) then how is anyone expected to believe that he IS sincere? As he would say 'It doesn't add up'

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Well as I have not heard him do so - it is hard for me to comment on that! That could again - just come down to interpretation and opinion!

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

Well then as such a vocal advocate of his maybe you should take the trouble to do so! You can't comment untill you have seen him in both sides of the argument for yourself surely?
Come back when you have bothered to do your research!

Your 'research' is only what you claim it to be! If I have good reason to doubt him - then so be it - but so far I do not! I repeat - it is up to you to prove he is the charleton you claim he is - otherwise such allegations are potentially libellous!

You remind me of the tabloids like The Sun - just spouting a load of unsubstantiated bile about someone currently in the public eye. See no real difference!

[housemate]

Good for you sweetums, bored now because you seem to have run out of fresh 'arguments' .. I'm not prepared tp go around in another circle with you but I'm very happy for you .. bye.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

Good for you sweetums, bored now because you seem to have run out of fresh 'arguments' .. I'm not prepared tp go around in another circle with you but I'm very happy for you .. bye.

I'll meet you half-way - if you can produce some fresh 'evidence' - in fact any evidence at all - to back-up your allegations!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I'll meet you half-way - if you can produce some fresh 'evidence' - in fact any evidence at all - to back-up your allegations!

Just for you ...... er no, now be good and go play with someone else or maybe have a nap.
also it might be cool to remember that sometimes the grown-ups want to debate issues rather than play silly games of 'I'll just say whatever will get a reaction'
Night night xx