[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

for every manipulating woman InOne, believe me, there's equally a manipulating man to balance the figures out.

Take it from one femae speaking from experience of meeting enough of them.

absolutely, people are individuals, there's good and evil on both sides.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

absolutely, people are individuals, there's good and evil on both sides.

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

I havn't heard anyone say al women/men are bad. so where are you getting this from? What people have saidis that there is a power IMBALANCE.

We live in a patriarchal society, where str8 white men are a tiny minority, but they have all the power. They hold the MAJORITY of positions of power. This is why the majority of women who are raped do not report their rapes, and also why a majority of reported rapes result in the rapist getting off/exonerated despite their guilt.

This is why in court, the final verdict is often "not guilty" as oppossed to "innocent". Just cause someone is found "not guilty" in court, does not mean they are innocent.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I havn't heard anyone say al women/men are bad. so where are you getting this from? What people have saidis that there is a power IMBALANCE.

We live in a patriarchal society, where str8 white men are a tiny minority, but they have all the power. They hold the MAJORITY of positions of power. This is why the majority of women who are raped do not report their rapes, and also why a majority of reported rapes result in the rapist getting off/exonerated despite their guilt.

This is why in court, the final verdict is often "not guilty" as oppossed to "innocent". Just cause someone is found "not guilty" in court, does not mean they are innocent.

I'm not getting it from anywhere,because I didn't say that -I put the term in apostrophes (') and not in inverted commas (") - the latter would indicate it was a direct word for word quote - which is clearly was not. If you read the posts carefully, a few posts ago and the subsequent posts thereafter - it will make sense. Neither did I state that anyone said there was a power imbalance. I merely gave my own thoughts. I did not state anything as hard fact.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, totally. I fail to get this 'all men are bad' / 'all women are bad' thought process and anyone who has this idea, isn't in a position to make any objective comment on either side.

As for your comment that we live in a society whereby straight white men are a tiny minority. You will find you are incorrect, in society at large, you will find that the hetrosexual man is in the majority.

I cannot answer for American courts, but unless there has been a substantial shift in terminology in English courts: jury will find the accused either guilty or not guilty - I don't believe 'innocent' is a term used for final delivery of the jury's verdict - but if that has changed in British Courts, I'll be happy to be updated and corrected, if things have altered.

*Scottish courts used to use the terms, Proven/Not Proven/Not Guilty" - thought in recent years there has been much debate over the 'Not Proven' verdict (and may have been dropped?)

[joeysteele]

You are right and certainly in the UK Pyramid anyway, someone has to be proven guilty by the prosecution in a trial, if the jury gives a verdict of 'not guilty' then that person is freed with their character and innocence intact.
There is no difference between not guilty and innocent,both are the same here.the only question mark on a verdict is if the jury could only come to a majority verdict rather than unanimous.

To say anyone found not guilty in the UK that they still are not innocent is a dangerous path to go down in law at least in the UK,(thank goodness for that too).