[the truth]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My previous posts explain it pretty clearly.

no it really doesnt. ive explained it clearly why i believe it in detail several times. youve just said you dont believe the kid. why? all you say is because he didnt ring us the next day? or because his mate went to give a statement. which part do you not believe? the windows were broken, he was stranded, he did try police, he did try his mother. so is it just the fact he didnt ring us and the fact his mate went away for interview that makes you disblieve him? would he go to all that trouble just to get put into a hotel room a few miles out of town for the night? freezing in the rain for hours? just to spin a yarn?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I will speak bluntly and I'll address the same sarcasm as I am met with by many on here.

Personal insults have been hurled at me all day on various threads by several ...... but funy enough: that seems okay !! So you'll have to forgive me for standing my ground every now and then.

Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

Because I'm not looking, nor do I care for justification on what you are doing. I'm doing my job and telling you to stop. You are also fully aware of the procedure to take if you feel targeted.

[Kizzy]

Well the fact is he is ok, and like you say the police were unable to assist him,so good for your driver and yourself for not abandoning him miles from home.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well the fact is he is ok, and like you say the police were unable to assist him,so good for your driver and yourself for not abandoning him miles from home.

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me.

Excellent point, I would hope that overall most in Britain would still do that Vanessa and I am glad you found help when it was needed.
He did sound scared and alone from the opening post, he also seemed like he was possibly in an element of shock, all factors in my opinion anyway, to reach out to him.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?

Yeah this part does stand out as quite odd. Surely he was planning on going home at some point...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go.

Yes, neither can I.

[joeysteele]

Good topic 'the truth'.

I have to say I find the Police far better than as described in yout opening post,however I have also seen and heard from others of this kind of dismissive and cold attiude from them especially to men, as portrayed in your opening post.

There are likely many reasons why the guy was there alone and how he got there too,he doesn't fit the usual scams of people coming up to others to get a few quid or even food.
He went with your driver to the station again and rang them from your drivers phone. someone scamming would not have done that.

As with your driver and then yourself, all you came across was someone alone, on a rotten night, with no money and no shelter looking for help, he was also probably in some element of shock too from the sounds of things.

It really doesn't matter whether there is more to this story or not, the fact remains he was alone, he needed a good samaritan for want of better description and found one in one of your drivers and then you yourself too.
Ensuring it was seen through as to that 'crisis' point and get him safe, get him to a comfortable place to stay for the night and a small bit of money too was totally commendable as to your driver and yourself.

Whatever happened the following day doesn't matter, you did the right and good thing at the time.
There are times that events happen in Britain where people maybe could have done a lot more and put themselves out. Some do, many don't.
Hopefully it is not an attitude that is totally representative of Britain now.I would have likely set out to do what your driver did and reach out to this guy, no matter his circumstances.

The whole desciption of the occurence and you and your drivers determination to help this guy is to your credit.
You helped him all you could, how you could and made sure he was safe too,really well done on that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Good topic 'the truth'.

I have to say I find the Police far better than as described in yout opening post,however I have also seen and heard from others of this kind of dismissive and cold attiude from them especially to men, as portrayed in your opening post.

There are likely many reasons why the guy was there alone and how he got there too,he doesn't fit the usual scams of people coming up to others to get a few quid or even food.
He went with your driver to the station again and rang them from your drivers phone. someone scamming would not have done that.

As with your driver and then yourself, all you came across was someone alone, on a rotten night, with no money and no shelter looking for help, he was also probably in some element of shock too from the sounds of things.

It really doesn't matter whether there is more to this story or not, the fact remains he was alone, he needed a good samaritan for want of better description and found one in one of your drivers and then you yourself too.
Ensuring it was seen through as to that 'crisis' point and get him safe, get him to a comfortable place to stay for the night and a small bit of money too was totally commendable as to your driver and yourself.

Whatever happened the following day doesn't matter, you did the right and good thing at the time.
There are times that events happen in Britain where people maybe could have done a lot more and put themselves out. Some do, many don't.
Hopefully it is not an attitude that is totally representative of Britain now.I would have likely set out to do what your driver did and reach out to this guy, no matter his circumstances.

The whole desciption of the occurence and you and your drivers determination to help this guy is to your credit.
You helped him all you could, how you could and made sure he was safe too,really well done on that.

cheers pal

[InOne]

Should always have a plan B