[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the goverment feathers its own nest just like this forum!

Precisely. It would be nice as we "are all in this together" and we are "One Nation" if MPs took a pay freeze, and perhaps had the goalposts moved on their gold plated pensions as the public sector have had to do with their salaries and their pensions. If a government signed up to this it might go some way to creating trust and also create the right example...do as I say not as I do seems to be the way forward, and some of us are in this more than others.

[Kizzy]

If they just did the job they were elected to do without all the dodgy dealings and pandering to the banks and the backers...
Thing is whenever they are exposed as liars the knee jerk reaction is to deny everything!
Maybe it's not a tory specific problem.
But to ask people to forgive and forget so much in such a short timescale is silly.
Ed is not blair or brown...Can he do enough to convince voters he will be true to his principles?

[arista]

"Ed is not blair or brown"

True
but he was the Jr with them
so the Stink
is Stuck on him

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"Ed is not blair or brown"

True
but he was the Jr with them
so the Stink
is Stuck on him

Maybe, but i felt in his speech he tried to distance himself from 'new labour' he is an intellectual, a deep thinker not a showman with gimmicks and a cheesy grin.
It actually appeals to me that he has minimal charisma too, I want a PM who does his job not a grinning fool.

[joeysteele]

From Ed Miliband's speech I would agree he has distanced himself from that silly 'new' Labour title that Tony Blair brought in, whatever that meant.

My own view is that he will be the only Leader who is the new leader of a main party in 2015,(unless the Lib Dems see sense and get rid of Clegg).
In that, I think it better for Labour that he is leader than his Brother David,who would be more associated overall with the last Labour govt for most of its time in power.

David Cameron,while making a fair speech this week, was in effect though back to the 2010 campaign,he was forced in some ways to backtrack to then because of Ed Milibands speech.
His problem being though,he has been in for 2 and a half years now,he did say the cuts were necessary, the reforms were necessary and the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2015,his plan for that was also stated as hopefully being able to cope with any further likely problems as to the Eurozone.

He cannot now start again with the 2010 campaign now he sees that just about all areas of his policies as to the economy are failing or not even beginning to work.The deficit will be nowhere near being cleared by 2015,which was the whole basis of this Coalition.
Seeing the methods/policies used to get whatever is off it by 2015,will not get the voters support for any more of those methods/policies in the future in my view.

I think the voters will actually vote Labour,not for, (as I have said elsewhere), because they are really supporting Labour with their votes but they will be voting against this Coalition and its hidden agenda's which all surfaced after they got the votes last time in 2010.
I actually think David Cameron knows full well that will likely be the case too and knows he is likely to be a one term PM.
Trust,that is the problem David Cameron failed to address in his speech as opposed to Ed Miliband who presented himself as the new,(newer), Politician for the voters to see if he can be trustworthy.

Sadly trust and Politicians are 2 words that the public don't connect together,but the broken promises of the Lib Dems who went on and on about trust every day in the 2010 election campaign.then betrayed that trust they got.
Then the Conservatives guaranteeing no top to bottom,across the board reforming of the NHS but then doing it, will have the voters too afraid to trust either of those parties further.
I think the voters will give Ed Miliband the chance in 2015 actually.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

From Ed Miliband's speech I would agree he has distanced himself from that silly 'new' Labour title that Tony Blair brought in, whatever that meant.

My own view is that he will be the only Leader who is the new leader of a main party in 2015,(unless the Lib Dems see sense and get rid of Clegg).
In that, I think it better for Labour that he is leader than his Brother David,who would be more associated overall with the last Labour govt for most of its time in power.

David Cameron,while making a fair speech this week, was in effect though back to the 2010 campaign,he was forced in some ways to backtrack to then because of Ed Milibands speech.
His problem being though,he has been in for 2 and a half years now,he did say the cuts were necessary, the reforms were necessary and the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2015,his plan for that was also stated as hopefully being able to cope with any further likely problems as to the Eurozone.

He cannot now start again with the 2010 campaign now he sees that just about all areas of his policies as to the economy are failing or not even beginning to work.The deficit will be nowhere near being cleared by 2015,which was the whole basis of this Coalition.
Seeing the methods/policies used to get whatever is off it by 2015,will not get the voters support for any more of those methods/policies in the future in my view.

I think the voters will actually vote Labour,not for, (as I have said elsewhere), because they are really supporting Labour with their votes but they will be voting against this Coalition and its hidden agenda's which all surfaced after they got the votes last time in 2010.
I actually think David Cameron knows full well that will likely be the case too and knows he is likely to be a one term PM.
Trust,that is the problem David Cameron failed to address in his speech as opposed to Ed Miliband who presented himself as the new,(newer), Politician for the voters to see if he can be trustworthy.

Sadly trust and Politicians are 2 words that the public don't connect together,but the broken promises of the Lib Dems who went on and on about trust every day in the 2010 election campaign.then betrayed that trust they got.
Then the Conservatives guaranteeing no top to bottom,across the board reforming of the NHS but then doing it, will have the voters too afraid to trust either of those parties further.
I think the voters will give Ed Miliband the chance in 2015 actually.

My thoughts too, I'm still in shock that Nick Clegg was not more instrumental in government.
Even a new leader wouldn't be enough to make amends.
The conservatives are far to cold and detatched from society.
I am looking forward to what else Ed has to say leading up to the elections.

[Josy]

I cleaned this thread again, keep on topic now please.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone's an expert.

Edit: I've just seen Kazanne's reply to Kizzy. For the sake of clarity, this post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular... before there's a whole drama.

Nobody is an expert, not even it seems those who are in positions of power and expertise in their field...thats the problem =)

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Nobody is an expert, not even it seems those who are in positions of power and expertise in their field...thats the problem =)

It seems that parliamentary politics is a career in itself nowadays - the idle rich have nothing better to do and the rest can't or won't get a proper job ..... we end up with a load of shambolic amateurs making up economic policy from secondary school primers .....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

It seems that parliamentary politics is a career in itself nowadays - the idle rich have nothing better to do and the rest can't or won't get a proper job ..... we end up with a load of shambolic amateurs making up economic policy from secondary school primers .....

Agreed, a lot of ya-ya's as my dad called them, delegate the real work to some lacky, sack them if it goes tits up and take sole credit for any success.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Agreed, a lot of ya-ya's as my dad called them, delegate the real work to some lacky, sack them if it goes tits up and take sole credit for any success.

That's the Tories for you .....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone's an expert.

Edit: I've just seen Kazanne's reply to Kizzy. For the sake of clarity, this post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular... before there's a whole drama.

Livia,that just made me laugh