[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zee

Many girls I know take flat shoes in their handbags with them on nights out to change into at the end of the night. Girls wear high heels to look good, not for comfort - when you're not so steady on your feet, you need comfortable shoes to walk in. Clearly you don't see the point in the concept but many others have been able to point out the benefits of having such a team. There are no disadvantages.

No they have not. No one can tell me how they identify people to help apart from perchance seeing a drunk Geordie girl in bare feet.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes and as I pointed out you dont have to be christian to go to church but when you are there you will not be surprised to find that its a wee teeny bit religious

The amount of girls who walk home in bare feet amid the vomit and broken glass of you and Zee's imaginary city must be minuscule (I have only seen this in films)

and you say they are shown how to deal with the common scenarios? by who - a priest, members of the guild, the head of Beavers?

My point is that in principle it sounds good but in practice its just a token gesture and the morality is highly suspect.

and the name stinks as L said

The figures since these Street Angel volunteers have started render your argument invalid.

The Halifax Street Angels for example have been running since 2005, they provide training, including first aid.

And tons of girls walk home barefoot at the weekend whether you choose to believe it or not.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I blame the parents

I don't really..given that having seen a LOT of drunk people in my time, the worst ones seem to be (from my experience) middle aged/older people. Seems a bit daft blaming their parents when they have likely been away from them for what...20 years or more?

[AnnieK]

Every time I go out, I come home bare foot....I'm never mortally drunk, just in frigging agony usually. They have a scheme like this in Manchester, I've never seen them but appear ardently they do good work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't really..given that having seen a LOT of drunk people in my time, the worst ones seem to be (from my experience) middle aged/older people. Seems a bit daft blaming their parents when they have likely been away from them for what...20 years or more?

They probably are parents themselves so you can actually blame the parents

[Vicky.]

I am guilty of having walked home with no shoes on

I wasn't ridiculously pissed though, I had got a blister on the back of my heel off the shoes that seemed comfy enough when I went out...and I would rather take the risk of standing on a bit of glass than put up with the pain of the blister rubbing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Every time I go out, I come home bare foot....I'm never mortally drunk, just in frigging agony usually. They have a scheme like this in Manchester, I've never seen them but appear ardently they do good work.

Did you avoid the vomit and broken glass?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am guilty of having walked home with no shoes on

I wasn't ridiculously pissed though, I had got a blister on the back of my heel off the shoes that seemed comfy enough when I went out...and I would rather take the risk of standing on a bit of glass than put up with the pain of the blister rubbing

I have done it a couple of times too, just like you though not because I was too pissed too walk on my heels but due to blisters and sore feet.

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No they have not. No one can tell me how they identify people to help apart from perchance seeing a drunk Geordie girl in bare feet.

I've already told you. Somebody who is so drunk they can't stand. That's the level of drunk they'd be looking to help in the first instance. They see someone who's so drunk that they can't walk themselves into a taxi or tell the taxi driver where they're going and go and help that person home. There is nothing difficult to comprehend about that. There is no system for deciding who does and doesn't need help, they're just going off of their instincts and looking around to see who's a cause for concern. With things like the flip flops, they'd be standing near clubs handing them out to girls who aren't even necessarily that drunk but are grateful for the flat shoes to walk in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

The figures since these Street Angel volunteers have started render your argument invalid.

The Halifax Street Angels for example have been running since 2005, they provide training, including first aid.

And tons of girls walk home barefoot at the weekend whether you choose to believe it or not.

If you can tell me how many converts they have achieved I may acquiesce slightly but telling me they have done some first aid in a draughty church hall like dads army did aint gonna cut it.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Did you avoid the vomit and broken glass?

Of course....my feet are usually filthy though I'm not organised enough to take flat shoes with

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zee

I've already told you. Somebody who is so drunk they can't stand. That's the level of drunk they'd be looking to help in the first instance. They see someone who's so drunk that they can't walk themselves into a taxi or tell the taxi driver where they're going and go and help that person home. There is nothing difficult to comprehend about that. There is no system for deciding who does and doesn't need help, they're just going off of their instincts and looking around to see who's a cause for concern. With things like the flip flops, they'd be standing near clubs handing them out to girls who aren't even necessarily that drunk but are grateful for the flat shoes to walk in.

So they are targeting mortally drunk men who cannot stand who would otherwise die and barefoot geordies.

Where do i sign?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Of course....my feet are usually filthy though I'm not organised enough to take flat shoes with

can i offer you a flip flop?

you know, one of the easiest of footwear to walk in at night in the rain when you have had a few?

or will you stick to barefeet which is much quicker an easier?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you can tell me how many converts they have achieved I may acquiesce slightly but telling me they have done some first aid in a draughty church hall like dads army did aint gonna cut it.

You can find out any information you need online.

[Z]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So they are targeting mortally drunk men who cannot stand who would otherwise die and barefoot geordies.

Where do i sign?

[Kizzy]

I've been pissed paralytic on the floor, lost my shoes/bag/phone, been attacked, nearly got in a taxi that wasn't a taxi.... twice.
yes it was silly and irresponsible, people can be.

[King Gizzard]

My mum does it sometimes with her church, they're not intrusive with their beliefs, they just get on with the job and help people out, of course there is going to be that sort of religious chat if someone asks though

[Cherie]

Can't see the problem with this myself. People do get drunk, sometimes without meaning to, you can have the same amount of alcohol two nights running and have a completely different reaction to it, if people want to go out of they way at night and volunteer freely to help strangers (whatever their religious beliefs), this has to be a good thing, and if they only stop one from being raped or worse, or falling into the street and getting hit by a moving vehicle, I can't really see why anyone would disagree with anyone for doing it or want them to stop. If they were hustling the people they helped for cash it would be different which is the idea behind drunk tanks I believe.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can't see the problem with this myself. People do get drunk, sometimes without meaning to, you can have the same amount of alcohol two nights running and have a completely different reaction to it, if people want to go out of they way at night and volunteer freely to help strangers (whatever their religious beliefs), this has to be a good thing, and if they only stop one from being raped or worse, or falling into the street and getting hit by a moving vehicle, I can't really see why anyone would disagree with anyone else it or want them to stop. If they were hustling the people they helped for cash it would be different which is the idea behind drunk tanks I believe.

Yup, this is very true. Drunk tanks are about the fines, not helping people.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've been pissed paralytic on the floor, lost my shoes/bag/phonee, been attacked, nearly got in a taxi that wasn't a taxi.... twice.
yes it was silly and irresponsible, people can b.

yes we can't all be saints I was terrible in my youth for getting legless and I lived in London and put myself in some very dangerous situations but managed to get through unscathed others aren't so lucky.

[Vicky.]

I wouldnt say knowing your limits was being a saint personally

Maybe everyones not like me, but I know as soon as I need to stop/slow down. If we still have a few hours left of the night I will drink pop/water for half an hour or so then have a bit more alcohol if I fancy it. Even as a kid I have never got so drunk that I was sick (excluding hungover, which happened once) or passed out

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've been pissed paralytic on the floor, lost my shoes/bag/phone, been attacked, nearly got in a taxi that wasn't a taxi.... twice.
yes it was silly and irresponsible, people can be.

and now you help others


Thats Good

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wouldnt say knowing your limits was being a saint personally

Maybe everyones not like me, but I know as soon as I need to stop/slow down. If we still have a few hours left of the night I will drink pop/water for half an hour or so then have a bit more alcohol if I fancy it. Even as a kid I have never got so drunk that I was sick (excluding hungover, which happened once) or passed out

knowing your limits is fine but if you are mixing your drinks or drinking something you normally don't drink or drinking on an empty stomach it is easy to get pissed without actually realising it. I was never one to be sick but I have had nights where I couldn't actually remember getting home. The shame of it!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

and now you help others


Thats Good

Saint Kizzy of Leeds City Centre.



(disclaimer, only on weekends, other cities are available).

[Ammi]

...in reply to the OP...Kizzy, I do sometimes go out with a friend who does it and she’s done it for lots of years, it’s something that the local church organise...one of the first things I asked her was whether she felt safe or if she had ever felt threatened/intimidated in any way and she said no and whenever I’ve been out with her, I honestly haven’t either..not one single time..everyone I’ve met has always been very friendly and I’ve always felt completely safe and actually enjoyed it...(very tired the next day though, but you’re probably much more of a night owl than I am..)....