[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That has nothing to do with the point I made though..... She goes on the attack when she drinks, not because people are looking down on her. The people looking down on her part only comes about after she acts like she does.


PS She only "realised" she was wrong after she was warned twice and heard the chants to get her out..........that's not sincere

I didnt say that when people look down on her, i said when she thinks people look down on her. With her past i would imagine she is quite paranoid about that.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm all for discussions, but in this case there's no point. We will never agree on this. Better leave it at that.

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

Ok. I'm leaving the thread.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I didnt say that when people look down on her, i said when she thinks people look down on her. With her past i would imagine she is quite paranoid about that.

But why would she think Jale was looking down on her? She'd barely gotten through the door and Helen was on her

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

stop quoting me then........I actually do want to discuss this.....that's why I'm still posting in the thread

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You know when it becomes obvious that there is someone who is truly affected and disturbed by events from their life them being on big brother and being torn apart suddenly feels like pulling the legs off a spider.....

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

I do expect them to reply, but not to say I don't want to discuss my opinion, if you don't want to discuss your opinion don't reply

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by jet

People rarely have sympathy or much tolerance for nasty mean self - centered individuals whether they are 'disturbed by events on their life' or not.
BB vets HM's very carefully and if they now think she shouldn't be there, they would pull her out. Or maybe she could take responsibility for herself and leave?
I don't think she is that 'damaged' by the way. She can control herself very well when it suits her. She can be reasonable and charming when it suits her. Her main problems are meanness, nastiness, arrogance and thinking the world should revolve around her. Fix those things, and there would be no reason for people to detest her.
It's all in her own hands.

Exactly. The only reason she stopped being a bully was because she was afraid she'd be kicked out, not because she all of a sudden realised she was being a nasty cow.

[Parmy]

The prostitution is one of her redeeming qualities!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quoted her first niamh to be fair, you can't quote people challenging their opinion and not expect them to quote you.

I agree with vanessa I think the change in persona comes after a drink and she feels quite ashamed after.

She was ostrasizing Jale for nearly a week with or without drink. She gets nastier on drink, yes, but drink doesn't cause the nastiness and meanness.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by jet

She was ostrasizing Jale for nearly a week with or without drink. She gets nastier on drink, yes, but drink doesn't cause the nastiness and meanness.

Yeah, I never saw her being ashamed of how she treated Jale until BB warned her about it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do expect them to reply, but not to say I don't want to discuss my opinion, if you don't want to discuss your opinion don't reply

She stated her opinion and you began badgering her with yours, all she said was she had made her decision taking into account all the 'what ifs' you suggested.
It was a perfectly polite response.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She stated her opinion and you began badgering her with yours, all she said was she had made her decision taking into account all the 'what ifs' you suggested.
It was a perfectly polite response.

Replying to posts on a thread is badgering people with your opinions now? Ok then St. Kizzy

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I never saw her being ashamed of how she treated Jale until BB warned her about it

Exactly. She enjoyed herself tremendously mocking and bullying Jale with all her minions around her encouraging her. Ashamed my ass. If she hadn't gotten the warnings, she'd still be at it. She loves it.

[flamingGalah!]

It seems she has always had a "charming" personality, from when she was young, who knows what is to blame, but lots of people who struggle or have bad things happen in their lives still manage to be nice & decent human beings... And those that are hard up don't all turn to prostitution, so I don't have any sympathy for the woman, she made her choices & she is a nasty, vile person who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, unless you paid her Ł20 of course...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have sympathy and empathy, I've never had the misfortune to be targeted by a huge swathe of the country and blamed for anyones 'extra maritals' but my guess is it leaves an impression on your character.

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Replying to posts on a thread is badgering people with your opinions now? Ok then St. Kizzy

Yes you did in this case a bit, sorry to tell you

[ChristmasNeeve]

Alright, back ontopic now Kizzy, this is actually an interesting thread

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

If you had the misfortune to be ostracized by someone, called a slug, laughed at and mocked by them I wonder how sympathetic you would be towards them? Would you be fighting their corner?

Well I don't know, maybe after a few conversations and apologies I might try see if we had any common ground. I wouldn't write them off no.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But why would she think Jale was looking down on her? She'd barely gotten through the door and Helen was on her

I dont know why tbh, Gawd know's what goes on in her mind!lol I think it is in her head that people do that to her when it is not always the case.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ellen

I dont know why tbh, Gawd know's what goes on in her mind!lol I think it is in her head that people do that to her when it is not always the case.

hhhmmmm even so, that's her problem and not those around her, it's not an endearing quality either

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmmm even so, that's her problem and not those around her, it's not an endearing quality either

No it is not an endearing quality and yes it is her problem that is why i agreed with Vanessa that she does need help.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ellen

No it is not an endearing quality and yes it is her problem that is why i agreed with Vanessa that she does need help.

I don't know does she recognize that herself though, like I really don't believe she was sorry about the Jale thing or felt bad about what she did. She only changed the way she was behaving and apologized after the warnings from BB and the boos and chants from the crowd.

I mean how can you call someone a slug for just sitting in the same room as you and not think you're being a complete bitch all by yourself?

[Kizzy]

She's admitted as much in the diary room lots of times that she overreacts, She might not recognise it in herself. It was commented on a lot on bit on the psyche so hopefully when she comes out there will be the offer of support.