[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Their outside lives are essential to understanding whether or not they are honest people in the house. It has always been that way. Nasty Nick started Big Brother off with all the controversy surrounding him and the lies he was telling such as having a wife that died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic figure. He was a manipulative person who the public turned against, but he was hugely popular in the house with the others.

Danielle was as much of a liar as he was. She was a total sham and continued to be one in the face of being exposed as such.

Helen is just a nasty piece of work. But not a sham.

I just feel that it's not really that important. If they lie, the public will see it and they're the ones ultimately making the final decision. Helen is relevant because her whole prostitute/Wayne Rooney past is being kept hush and yet Danielle is exposed at every chance. I know there are probably legal reasons for the former, but there's no need to expose any of their personal lives. I understand wanting justice for the people in the house to know who they're dealing with, but it's just outside manipulation that I don't think is necessary. And they're not really lies that are that hurtful (this Nick guy sounds like a bit of a dick though). I don't like Danielle for lying, I don't like Kim for lying and I don't like Helen for lying but it's their prerogative to do so and keep whatever they want to themselves and in the long run it's only hurting their characters.

[smudgie]

He is playing the game very well.

He has every one of them sussed, he probably does deserve to win as his game does not involve nastiness etc, and he is great at analysing everything and putting his points across in the DR with a great wit.

Not so sure we are actually seeing who the real Chris is though, he is a pretty good actor but his mask slipped ever so slightly when they were shown the vid of the newbies and told they were coming in.

Yeah, I can see him as a worthy winner.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

I just feel that it's not really that important. If they lie, the public will see it and they're the ones ultimately making the final decision.

Yes, we know that. But Chris used what happened with Danielle as a way of promoting himself. And it worked.

Helen is relevant because her whole prostitute/Wayne Rooney past is being kept hush

It's irrelevant to any judgement about Danielle's character. Is it unfair? Maybe. But this is about Chris and his attitude towards Danielle being revealed as the fraud she was. He was disinterested. He saw an opportunity to go and give another winning diary room performance, which worked out well for him as people are now cheering him on. But put it under scrutiny and it begins to not look so good.

and yet Danielle is exposed at every chance.

2 times it happened with Danielle. Once in a task by BB and then Bianca telling others. Steven's mum exposed Kim. Ashleigh has had conversations and diary room entries played back.

I know there are probably legal reasons for the former, but there's no need to expose any of their personal lives. I understand wanting justice for the people in the house to know who they're dealing with, but it's just outside manipulation that I don't think is necessary. And they're not really lies that are that hurtful (this Nick guy sounds like a bit of a dick though).

Portraying yourself as something you're not to people who have put their trust in you is a hurtful thing to do.

I don't like Danielle for lying, I don't like Kim for lying and I don't like Helen for lying but it's their prerogative to do so and keep whatever they want to themselves and in the long run it's only hurting their characters.

Is Helen lying? To me, she's just a cow. Kim has definitely lied and we rightly judge her badly for it. Danielle, the same.

It's as though people have no objective standard of right and wrong and just base their opinions on what this person does for them.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bobnot

No.
Chris has a brain on top of his shoulders and that seems to make some people feel a bit insecure.
Not everybody is at the level where they can only find entertainment in slags who wave their tits about or miserable little tramps who sit in corners bitching.

Chris is one of the most entertaining and witty people in the house.

What a great and accurate post

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What a great and accurate post

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

I thought bobNot answered it excellently,some agree ,others don't.

[Lister of Smeg]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Which didn't answer any of the points being made.

You have seemingly ignored points by other poster throughout this thread that dont fit you're agenda .

[starry]

I suppose he might have some contradictions but that's hardly unusual. I prefer him as he has a brain unlike someone vacuous and empty like Winston.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

You have seemingly ignored points by other poster throughout this thread that dont fit you're agenda .

I haven't. I've answered all of them.

[joeysteele]

I have come to like Chris,he seems the only one in there more level headed and his summing up of Biannca was spot on too.

[Tarryn]

I would rather watch Chris talking about the other housemates in the Diary Room than watching Biannca getting naked or Steven slobbering over Kim.
If he were to tell the housemates to their faces what he really thinks of them he would be jumped on like a pack of wolves.
He was totally right last night. They are two-faced.
Chris is just playing an intelligent game.
Mark is playing the "Look how stupid I am, I don't have the brains to play the game so love me for being real" game.
Steven is playing the "I'm so rich I should win BB as I don't need the money & am better than you" game.
It is a game show. Chris is playing it well but that does not mean he is fake.

[Razor]

Chris is my fav. Awesome housemate it's just a shame we don't see much of him.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I would rather watch Chris talking about the other housemates in the Diary Room than watching Biannca getting naked or Steven slobbering over Kim.

Yeah, that's great. But it doesn't speak to any point being made about him using the diary room to manipulate the public.

If he were to tell the housemates to their faces what he really thinks of them he would be jumped on like a pack of wolves.
He was totally right last night. They are two-faced.

So is he.

Chris is just playing an intelligent game.

So they're two faced but he's playing an intelligent game. Righteo.

It is a game show. Chris is playing it well but that does not mean he is fake.

I'm afraid it does. Worse than that... He's being two faced with the other housemates and he's being manipulative with the public.

[rubymoo]

I really like Chris.

I think everything he's said about the others is spot on, and i like the way he tries to comfort others when they're upset, i loved what he said about Danielle in the diary room too.

He comes across as a great guy, a worthy winner imo

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Yeah, that's great. But it doesn't speak to any point being made about him using the diary room to manipulate the public.



So is he.



So they're two faced but he's playing an intelligent game. Righteo.



I'm afraid it does. Worse than that... He's being two faced with the other housemates and he's being manipulative with the public.

Why do you think he is manipulating people ?.
He is speaking the truth about the other HM's isn't he ?.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Why do you think he is manipulating people ?.
He is speaking the truth about the other HM's isn't he ?.

Looks more like attempts to assassinate other peoples character without them having a chance to reply and it's being done during a performance in the diary room designed to endear himself to the public.

There's something two faced and disingenuous about it.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I really like Chris.

I think everything he's said about the others is spot on, and i like the way he tries to comfort others when they're upset, i loved what he said about Danielle in the diary room too.

He comes across as a great guy, a worthy winner imo

What he said about Danielle was BS... He essentially said "I don't care what the actual truth is. I am only interested in how Danielle presents herself to me"

It's like someone saying "I don't care if Nasty Nick made up that his wife died in a car accident, he's seem like a decent honest chap to me"

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Looks more like attempts to assassinate other peoples character without them having a chance to reply and it's being done during a performance in the diary room designed to endear himself to the public.

There's something two faced and disingenuous about it.

And the others are total Angels who have never been two-faced or tried to turn HM's against each other have they (?)

[Daffodil]

Chris makes some good, intelligent, observant points in the diary room. But I am very wary of his tendency to 'snobbishness', his VT in which he dismissed all his future housemates saying he would sit in a corner and call them bastards. His hugs at times seemed very forced. His art work is brilliant (was on BBOTS the other night) BUT very gruesome, sad and surreal. Not the sort of stuff to make you feel uplifted anyway

[Ellen]

He seems like an ok-ish bloke but i do find him hypocritical saying the others were two faced when he is just as bad.
For the last few weeks he has sat with Danielle & Ashley bitching about other HM's but then critises others for bitching but denies he does this when it has been shown.
He seems to pride himself on how he as sussed out the HM's but the one who he spoke so highly of in the diary room nominated him so maybe not such a good judge.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

And the others are total Angels who have never been two-faced or tried to turn HM's against each other have they (?)

We're talking about Chris. Not the others.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

Chris makes some good, intelligent, observant points in the diary room. But I am very wary of his tendency to 'snobbishness', his VT in which he dismissed all his future housemates saying he would sit in a corner and call them bastards. His hugs at times seemed very forced. His art work is brilliant (was on BBOTS the other night) BUT very gruesome, sad and surreal. Not the sort of stuff to make you feel uplifted anyway

I agree with everything you say. I'm just trying to make people a little more wary of this guy.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

We're talking about Chris. Not the others.

So you are holding Chris to a higher standard ?. Why ?.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

So you are holding Chris to a higher standard ?. Why ?.

Of course I'm not. If you want to a start thread discussing the faults of others, then by all means do so and I'll probably agree with a lot of what is being said.

But this constant deflection away from the topic under discussion is just that. It's not a question of whether Chris is better or worse than anyone else, just a question about his character.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

It's as though people have no objective standard of right and wrong and just base their opinions on what this person does for them.

That's exactly how it should be. It's an entertainment show, not 'Who Do You Think You Are'. Judging them as housemates and as they are on the outside are two completely different things. Helen shouldn't be judged for being an ex-hooker for example