[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

Its another very very old fashioned word. Ken shows his age with that one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

Me neither

But yeah, so much respect for Alexander, what a gentleman he is, he handled it with so much class and dignity when he would have been well within his rights to kick off

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me neither

But yeah, so much respect for Alexander, what a gentleman he is, he handled it with so much class and dignity when he would have been well within his rights to kick off

For sure. I know guys who would have grabbed up 70 odd year old Ken for that. Dont give a ****** how old he is he needs to show a bit more respect. I wonder how long ago 61 year old Alexander was last called a 'good lad'.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

For sure. I know guys who would have grabbed up 70 odd year old Ken for that. Dont give a ****** how old he is he needs to show a bit more respect. I wonder how long ago 61 year old Alexander was last called a 'good lad'.

Age isn't a good enough excuse, yeah maybe back in his day the word was acceptable but is he honestly saying that he's that oblivious to the world around him that he still thought it was acceptable? Or is he saying that he doesn't give a ****? My money is on the latter. Revolting man, what he said to Chloe about Jeremy afterwards as well was so sleazy and derogatory.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Age isn't a good enough excuse, yeah maybe back in his day the word was acceptable but is he honestly saying that he's that oblivious to the world around him that he still thought it was acceptable? Or is he saying that he doesn't give a ****? My money is on the latter. Revolting man, what he said to Chloe about Jeremy afterwards as well was so sleazy and derogatory.

I agree his comment to Chloe about Jeremy being a producer was completely out of order. Not sure about the strategy of leching, perving and casual racism is gonna get him very far though.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

Neither have I.

I didn't realise Alexander was 61. That explains his calm reaction though. He has lived through times when racism was worse than it is today and no doubt come up against a lot of hate in his lifetime, so he has learned how to deal with ignorant people like Ken.

[Vicky.]

****ing hell, Alexander is 61?! Hes aged very well

[coffee]

I honestly didn't know negro was offensive. I never said it in my life anyway but now I know not to.

[bots]

It has a lot to do with intent too. Ken was intent on making a controversy as he wants to get kicked out, take his money and run. So, he knew what he was saying and the potential effect it would have

[WyldeFyre]

Originally Posted by coffee

I honestly didn't know negro was offensive. I never said it in my life anyway but now I know not to.

I'm very anti-racist and didn't know it was considered offensive either tbh. But we live and learn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

I'm very anti-racist and didn't know it was considered offensive either tbh. But we live and learn.

it is not offensive its old and historical

but ken used it in an offensive way by being a twat

[Crimson Dynamo]

you have to accept that old people are not you. ken does not give a feck that you now think negro is bad, other 70 year olds may agree, some do not

he does not

deal with that

its real

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you have to accept that old people are not you. ken does not give a feck that you now think negro is bad, other 70 year olds may agree, some do not

he does not

deal with that

its real

'You now think Negro is bad' I'd say society now thinks its bad. I take it you dont consider yourself to be a part of society?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah, I don't think negro is really a racist term (it's not for me to judge anyway, though) but it's a really antiquated term that obviously has loads of negative connotations surrounding it, and I think that's mainly what Alexander was trying to get across. Like, someone freely calling someone else a negro even in jest just reflects poorly on the person using it and makes them look not well-informed at all.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Yeah, I don't think negro is really a racist term (it's not for me to judge anyway, though) but it's a really antiquated term that obviously has loads of negative connotations surrounding it, and I think that's mainly what Alexander was trying to get across. Like, someone freely calling someone else a negro even in jest just reflects poorly on the person using it and makes them look not well-informed at all.

[coffee]

and because she hasn't known him too long either. He doesn't really know how he was using that word... If it was good or bad.

I mean, I'm not black so can't say if this word would hurt me or not but I am Greek and if my friend called me a sweaty hairy greasey olive crumbley cheese face I would think it was funny but if a stranger called me it I would go crazy angry ahahah

[WyldeFyre]

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

This.Pretty sure he said 'fat negro' which put it in a derogatory context.I don't think just saying the word 'negro' in itself is a racist term but put in the context Ken used it,it certainly did.

[TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

Agreed

[sampvt]

Ive lived all over the world with my job. In S Africa you cant call a black a coloured as this refers to mixed race, you cant call a coloured a black and in the USA I was told by a man that I called black that he was actually Afro Caribbean. I have heard that blacks with a hint of a mixed race like Tiger Woods, don't like being called Black at all. Its a bloody minefield and as someone has said, it will all change in a couple of years time.

The stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life was a fellow golfer at a tournament in Vegas, asking a black man why he was called black when he was brown. This black person had the start delayed and had my friend ejected for racial abuse saying he called him a Brownie. He didn't, he said why don't people call you Brownies but he was English and didn't know Brownies referred to a cake.

This was a while ago granted but to complain and get a tournament closed down and to blackmail a sponsor in order to get a man evicted for such a silly thing just goes to show how PC our world is getting to.