[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is actually really interesting to see written down, I thought it was a lot more even than that. But it looks like he first argument was started by Marc too (the 2nd definitely was)

I can see why Marc feels like banging his head against a brick wall. How can you make this judgement based on half baked truths?

[JamesBond]

Marc not the only one antagonising people.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

No, it didn't.

You've missed the most crucial part where Charley asked Marc the question: "You don't like Aisleyne, do you" and he said "I don't like people being spiteful to me". He was answering a question that Charley had asked. He didn't just pluck it from thin air. Danny jumped into the conversation that had nothing to do with him. Marc was simply answering a question.

I know Charley asked him if he liked her. Does it matter? (I've edited my post seeing you think it's important) Marc is allowed to say he feels Ash is spiteful towards him whether he's asked or not. That wasn't the crucial part to me, nor was his answer at that point. He said he didn't like her being spiteful to him and Danny said 'now you know how we feel' which imo was quite funny. The part that actually got nasty and started the argument imo was Marc saying to Danny he didn't have to stick up for her just because he was dicking her which was a lie and not fair on Ash who wasn't there to defend herself. That's when it all took off. Up to then it the convo was fair enough....as I said Marc is allowed to feel Ash was spiteful and Danny is allowed to feel that Marc is the same...and it should have ended there but for Marc's goading.
I'm not a supporter of either Marc or Danny. In fact I'm not a supporter of any of them this year so I'm impartial. I just can't stand anyone goading and then when they get a reaction having a glint of pleasure in their eyes and even smiling in triumph. Marc does this.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

I can see why Marc feels like banging his head against a brick wall. How can you make this judgement based on half baked truths?

I have no idea what you're talking about.. Did you mean to quote me?

after reading the script, it was clear that Marc started the argument? Did you read the same script that I was referring to? I would struggle to see how you could come up with a different conclusion but I would like to hear it if you did.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jet

I know Charley asked him if he liked her. Does it matter? (I've edited my post seeing you think it's important) Marc is allowed to say he feels Ash is spiteful towards him whether he's asked or not. That wasn't the crucial part to me, nor was his answer at that point. He said he didn't like her being spiteful to him and Danny said 'now you know how we feel' which imo was quite funny. The part that actually got nasty and started the argument imo was Marc saying to Danny he didn't have to stick up for her just because he was dicking her which was a lie and not fair on Ash who wasn't there to defend herself. That's when it all took off. Up to then it the convo was fair enough....as I said Marc is allowed to feel Ash was spiteful and Danny is allowed to feel that Marc is the same...and it should have ended there but for Marc's goading.
I'm not a supporter of either Marc or Danny. In fact I'm not a supporter of any of them this year so I'm impartial. I just can't stand anyone goading and then when they get a reaction having a glint of pleasure in their eyes and even smiling in triumph. Marc does this.

Chloe does it too. In fact, team smug openly boast about and plan their attacks on bullied Marc.

[jet]

Originally Posted by BB1984

They get along fine presumably as we only see roughly a hour each day. Until Danny decides to get in his face & the rest of the house will blame Marc as usual.
Even Harry sees what is going on.

Yes, Marc just sits there minding his own business and not saying someone might have stds or dicking someone when they are not or are uneducated or whatever other of the dozens of insults that have come out of his mouth and Danny just gets in his face for bugger all.
They get on fine until Marc is a total dick, goads, then delights in Danny getting in his face - then Danny gets blamed here as usual for 'picking' on poor Marc who hasn't done a thing to deserve it. Neither of them are right, but Marc starts it more often than not.
Harry sees it? The rest of the HM's see the opposite - Nick was saying last night very clearly how difficult Marc is to get along with for everyone in the house. Harry is using Marc to get her own back on Nick..

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Chloe does it too. In fact, team smug openly boast about and plan their attacks on bullied Marc.

Examples?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Smash the Clique

Why do you think Aisleyne and Danny have resorted to physical threats against Marc? Because they have neither the intelligence nor the vocabulary to possibly get the better of Marc in a verbal argument.

What intelligence and vocabulary? Throwing insults around and goading people doesn't need anything other than a cruel mind set and a disregard for the feelings of others. If Marc's that intelligent, he would save his 'banter' for those who appreciate it and not make enemies of those that don't. Having most of the house nominating you and disliking you doesn't show much intelligence, does it?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by jet

I know Charley asked him if he liked her. Does it matter? (I've edited my post seeing you think it's important) Marc is allowed to say he feels Ash is spiteful towards him whether he's asked or not. That wasn't the crucial part to me, nor was his answer at that point. He said he didn't like her being spiteful to him and Danny said 'now you know how we feel' which imo was quite funny. The part that actually got nasty and started the argument imo was Marc saying to Danny he didn't have to stick up for her just because he was dicking her which was a lie and not fair on Ash who wasn't there to defend herself. That's when it all took off. Up to then it the convo was fair enough....as I said Marc is allowed to feel Ash was spiteful and Danny is allowed to feel that Marc is the same...and it should have ended there but for Marc's goading.
I'm not a supporter of either Marc or Danny. In fact I'm not a supporter of any of them this year so I'm impartial. I just can't stand anyone goading and then when they get a reaction having a glint of pleasure in their eyes and even smiling in triumph. Marc does this.

Indeed he is, but in the context of it all, Marc wasn't the first one to open his mouth about Aisleyne (like your post suggested). If Charley hadn't asked the question, Danny wouldn't have jumped in with a rude remark and the argument would never have happened. He was asked what he thought about Aisleyne and he replied...which then prompted the lone ranger (Danny) to butt into another conversation that he had no business interfering in. The part that got nasty was when Danny actually said to Marc: "fkuc me, now you know how we feel' - It was an obvious dig at Marc which prompted Marc to retaliate. He wasn't even speaking to Danny until he stuck his oar in, so I fail to see how it was any of Marcs fault. I don't understand why people can't see this. and what does Aisleyne not being there when Charley addressed a question to Marc have to do with anything? Must all housemates be present whenever two people are asking each other questions about the others?

All Marc was doing was sticking up for himself when being attacked. There's really nothing else to it.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Withano

after reading the script, it was clear that Marc started the argument? Did you read the same script that I was referring to? I would struggle to see how you could come up with a different conclusion but I would like to hear it if you did.

When I said half baked truths, I was referring to the fact that you commented on Jet's post when he didn't post the full transcript of what happened. He missed off the part where Marc was simply responding to Charley's question and I think it shed a whole light on the fact that Marc didn't just have a go at Aisleyne for nothing.

[Smash the Clique]

Originally Posted by jet

What intelligence and vocabulary? Throwing insults around and goading people doesn't need anything other than a cruel mind set and a disregard for the feelings of others. If Marc's that intelligent, he would save his 'banter' for those who appreciate it and not make enemies of those that don't. Having most of the house nominating you and disliking you doesn't show much intelligence, does it?

You're thinking of "intelligence" in purely linear terms; getting nominated equals stupid, not getting nominated equals intelligent. Believe me, Marc knew going into that house that he'd be nominated most every week. But he's like a champion poker player or chess grandmaster. They will think several moves ahead and take calculated risks in order to achieve their ultimate goal. Marc is willing to risk these nominations if it means his actually getting further in the competition. Also, surely it takes a particular type of genius to be hated by nearly every housemate yet at the same time be the public's favourite. How many people could achieve that?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

When I said half baked truths, I was referring to the fact that you commented on Jet's post when he didn't post the full transcript of what happened. He missed off the part where Marc was simply responding to Charley's question and I think it shed a whole light on the fact that Marc didn't just have a go at Aisleyne for nothing.

Nobody said he did, so it shed light on nothing. I was simply relaying the convo and mistakenly left a bit out which I then edited in when it was pointed out.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

When I said half baked truths, I was referring to the fact that you commented on Jet's post when he didn't post the full transcript of what happened. He missed off the part where Marc was simply responding to Charley's question and I think it shed a whole light on the fact that Marc didn't just have a go at Aisleyne for nothing.

I was aware of what happened before, I made a post yesterday about how nobody really started it and it just snowballed and it started from a nothing comment from charley and a standard reply from Marc, but reading through it, it was clear that I was wrong and Marc started the argument.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

Indeed he is, but in the context of it all, Marc wasn't the first one to open his mouth about Aisleyne (like your post suggested). If Charley hadn't asked the question, Danny wouldn't have jumped in with a rude remark and the argument would never have happened. He was asked what he thought about Aisleyne and he replied...which then prompted the lone ranger (Danny) to butt into another conversation that he had no business interfering in. The part that got nasty was when Danny actually said to Marc: "fkuc me, now you know how we feel' - It was an obvious dig at Marc which prompted Marc to retaliate. He wasn't even speaking to Danny until he stuck his oar in, so I fail to see how it was any of Marcs fault. I don't understand why people can't see this. and what does Aisleyne not being there when Charley addressed a question to Marc have to do with anything? Must all housemates be present whenever two people are asking each other questions about the others?

All Marc was doing was sticking up for himself when being attacked. There's really nothing else to it.

Marc butts in on peoples conversations all the time, they all do, so I don't see how it has to start an argument every time that happens. Ash not being there was crucial because Marc was saying Danny dicked her, which very much involved her as the person he is supposed to have 'dicked' and she wasn't there to defend herself - if you read my post properly instead of jumping to conclusions you would see I didn't say she should have been there when Charley asked Marc if he liked her.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by jet

Nobody said he did, so it shed light on nothing. I was simply relaying the convo and mistakenly left a bit out which I then edited in when it was pointed out.

...but the first part of your post (now edited) implied that he did when he didn't. How convenient to leave a question off that prompted Marc's answer and Danny's response.

Original paragraph of your now edited post:
"I've just watched the first part of episode (didn't see it last night) and Marc was the main antagonizer by far. It started off with Marc saying he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him"

Marc didn't even say that he didn't like Aisleyne. All he said was that he didn't like people being spiteful to him. Jesus

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

...but the first part of your post (now edited) implied that he did when he didn't. How convenient to leave a question off which promted Marc's answer and Danny's response.

Original paragraph of your now edited post:
"I've just watched the first part of episode (didn't see it last night) and Marc was the main antagonizer by far. It started off with Marc saying he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him"

Marc didn't even say he didn't like Aisleyne. All he said was that he didn't like her being spiteful to him. Jesus

I was relaying the convo and that is how it started off, yes, including the piece I edited in. I didn't say the argument started at that point, that came a few sentences later, imo. I didn't omit it on purpose, I didn't think it was important so mistakenly overlooked it. I still don't think whatever Marc said about Ash's spitefulness or Danny's reply was enough to start an argument. Not by a long way. It was Marc goading Danny about dicking Ash that was nasty and the way he kept goading after it had died down. Yet you pick on a little detail and ignore the rest of Marc's goading. Way to deflect I suppose. lol
Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree because we see it differently, which is fine.

[sarah2020]

Im sorry but I love watching Marc and it is mostly watching how he goads others and they show their true colors. The house would have been dull without him. He also makes me laugh and is so quick witted and that drives the house even more mad.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by sarah2020

Im sorry but I love watching Marc and it is mostly watching how he goads others and they show their true colors.

Sums up the series

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by sarah2020

Im sorry but I love watching Marc and it is mostly watching how he goads others and they show their true colors. The house would have been dull without him. He also makes me laugh and is so quick witted and that drives the house even more mad.

I love how marc has drawn the housemate's true personalities out of them.

My fear now though is that every series is going to need that kind of intervention because people just try and fly under the radar and form a nice little getalong gang.

[jet]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I love how marc has drawn the housemate's true personalities out of them.

My fear now though is that every series is going to need that kind of intervention because people just try and fly under the radar and form a nice little getalong gang.

I don't think he brings out their true personalities at all. I think he brings out the worst in people which is only a small part of a whole personality. Why would anyone just want to see the worst in people?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't think he brings out their true personalities at all. I think he brings out the worst in people which is only a small part of a whole personality. Why would anyone just want to see the worst in people?

Seeing people get along and lick each other's arses is boring. It can't sustain 70 hours of television.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

The shameless bullying of Harry in the first 2 weeks as well
Saying vile comments to Sam which was just past off as 'banter'

Sam herself said last week that her and Marc have great banter. Sam even said if it goes to far she'll kick him in the nuts in the form of banter.

She said this to Nikki just last week so it was just banter.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by jet

I was relaying the convo and that is how it started off, yes, including the piece I edited in. I didn't say the argument started at that point, that came a few sentences later, imo. I didn't omit it on purpose, I didn't think it was important so mistakenly overlooked it. I still don't think whatever Marc said about Ash's spitefulness or Danny's reply was enough to start an argument. Not by a long way. It was Marc goading Danny about dicking Ash that was nasty and the way he kept goading after it had died down. Yet you pick on a little detail and ignore the rest of Marc's goading. Way to deflect I suppose. lol
Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree because we see it differently, which is fine.

You can argue till you're blue in the face but if you had relayed the conversation correctly and not started off with "Marc said he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him", it would have put the whole thing into perspective and the context would have been relevant. You only edited it in when I pointed it out later on.

You keep ignoring the fact that Danny stuck his oar into Charley and Marc's conversation with a nasty comment and that was what initially started the argument off in the first place, and as they despise each other it wouldn't have taken much to start an argument anyway.

I'm not excusing the fact that Marc said some awful things but he was retaliating to Danny's comment. What was he supposed to do, sit there and take it?

I'm sick of hearing people say Marc did this and Marc did that. What about what Danny did?
Marc was simply retaliating to being treat like sh!te. Danny did a fine job of goading Marc into an argument with that first comment and yet it's Marcs fault for standing up to him?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom

You can argue till you're blue in the face but if you had relayed the conversation correctly and not started off with "Marc said he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him", it would have put the whole thing into perspective and the context would have been relevant. You only edited it in when I pointed it out later on.

You keep ignoring the fact that Danny stuck his oar into Charley and Marc's conversation with a nasty comment and that was what initially started the argument off in the first place, and as they despise each other it wouldn't have taken much to start an argument anyway.

I'm not excusing the fact that Marc said some awful things but he was retaliating to Danny's comment. What was he supposed to do, sit there and take it?

I'm sick of hearing people say Marc did this and Marc did that. What about what Danny did?
Marc was simply retaliating to being treat like sh!te. Danny did a fine job of goading Marc into an argument with that first comment and yet it's Marcs fault for standing up to him?

I'm not arguing, I'm discussing. We have different opinions as to what started the argument between Marc and Danny and who goaded the most and neither of us will change our minds so that's were I'm going to leave it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I love how marc has drawn the housemate's true personalities out of them.

My fear now though is that every series is going to need that kind of intervention because people just try and fly under the radar and form a nice little getalong gang.

ummmmmmmmmmm this "nice little getalong gang" formed BECAUSE OF Marc. It was completely reactionary to the trauma of the quad eviction and having to put up with Marc's godawful personality that the show is actively endorsing.