[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Preach!

Random but I liked what he said from 0:45 about iggy and black appropriation dating back to blues and rock n roll. Preach Russell

Youtube video

People love to ignore the overall message that black people try to convey.

..is it ignoring though CeeCee or just how it's sometimes conveyed like Cal says in his post and as Niamh has said..the 'intentions are good' but maybe sometimes do more harm than good/type thing..and rather than provoke thoughts in people, maybe alienate their ears instead..?...

[Ammi]

..I meant Azealia not Russell btw..

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Josh perhaps you should look into this subject more before you start going "let me give you some info" as if you're the expert on the matter - clearly you don't know what racism actually means ..anyone can be racist, so please stop with this "only white people can be racist!!!" nonsense.

Sugar coat it how you want it is just not the same on both ends. Racism from white people stems from supremacy, if a black has issues against a white person it stems from anger. For example let's look at the movements black power/black lives matter is not about oppressing whites but it's about having the same rights and kkk is about oppressing anyone who is not like them.
Some black kid may make a white kids life hell but that kid can go that extra mile, work harder in school, wear that suit and late get a top earning job in the city by that black kid can work as hard as he wants, wear that suit but he will never get the top post in a city company. Another example-Nicky was trying to convey a message and miley dismisses it with nuh nuh nuh nuh basically at the vmas because she knows she can do what she wants and she will get praised . She can wear those dreads, twerk and she will get praised nobody will care about what the black girl had to say.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..is it ignoring though CeeCee or just how it's sometimes conveyed like Cal says in his post and as Niamh has said..the 'intentions are good' but maybe sometimes do more harm than good/type thing..and rather than provoke thoughts in people, maybe alienate their ears instead..?...

But why do blacks have to police their tones and each word when someone like trump can be publicly racist and people are voting for him to be president? This is what I am saying. Different rules for blacks.

Oh we're not going to listen to your point you're angry( basically what miley said about Nicky) meanwhile being a little rascal herself. A lot of white people get oh he's an absolute **** but he has a point but not the same for blacks. Pft.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

But why do blacks have to police their tones and each word when someone like trump can be publicly racist and people are voting for him to be president? This is what I am saying. Different rules for blacks.

Oh we're not going to listen to your point you're angry( basically what miley said about Nicky) meanwhile being a little rascal herself. A lot of white people get oh he's an absolute **** but he has a point but not the same for blacks. Pft.

...but it's not about policing though, I don't think..it's more about a message that she wants people to listen to..?..and it ffels more like a 'celeb bashing/Twitter' thing so that's not really the way..?..and also she's doing exactly the same as what she accuses Miley of surely...'white people have no culture so stealing black culture'...so a 'superiority' really and yet that's what she's speaking up against/I need time to get my thoughts around this.....but atm, that's how it seems anyway...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but it's not about policing though, I don't think..it's more about a message that she wants people to listen to..?..and it ffels more like a 'celeb bashing/Twitter' thing so that's not really the way..?..and also she's doing exactly the same as what she accuses Miley of surely...'white people have no culture so stealing black culture'...so a 'superiority' really and yet that's what she's speaking up against/I need time to get my thoughts around this.....but atm, that's how it seems anyway...

That message has been trying to get through many times and people always find an excuse not to listen and I knew people would pick on her using the word 'superiority' to dismiss everything she's saying .

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Sugar coat it how you want it is just not the same on both ends. Racism from white people stems from supremacy, if a black has issues against a white person it stems from anger. For example let's look at the movements black power/black lives matter is not about oppressing whites but it's about having the same rights and kkk is about oppressing anyone who is not like them.
Some black kid may make a white kids life hell but that kid can go that extra mile, work harder in school, wear that suit and late get a top earning job in the city by that black kid can work as hard as he wants, wear that suit but he will never get the top post in a city company. Another example-Nicky was trying to convey a message and miley dismisses it with nuh nuh nuh nuh basically at the vmas because she knows she can do what she wants and she will get praised . She can wear those dreads, twerk and she will get praised nobody will care about what the black girl had to say.

So in your opinion when does anger towards white people become as unacceptable as racism? Ranging from insulting tweets to being shot dead on live tv

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

That message has been trying to get through many times and people always find an excuse not to listen.

...maybe some people don't but some people do and that's where it shouldn't be a 'black v white' thing because it can't be generalised like that...I mean so far as the music industry is concerned..the black culture has always had a huge impact with soul, jazz, R&B etc...and it's some thing that's often been 'copied' by white artists as well, I mean always but in a positive/compliment way..saying, that artist/sound/tune is great etc ..not always in a negative way like a 'stealing of culture'...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...maybe some people don't but some people do and that's where it shouldn't be a 'black v white' thing because it can't be generalised like that...I mean so far as the music industry is concerned..the black culture has always had a huge impact with soul, jazz, R&B etc...and it's some thing that's often been 'copied' by white artists as well, I mean always but in a positive/compliment way..saying, that artist/sound/tune is great etc ..not always in a negative way like a 'stealing of culture'...

Ammi sorry but nope! Who is constantly named the best rapper of all time? Eminen. Google king of rock n roll who shows up? Elvis. The list goes on. I read messages like ******* shouldn't listen to rock n roll. When I went to download the looks I was getting-uh. It's not just copying and flattery-they appropriate it with their own rules and reward themselves for it.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

So in your opinion when does anger towards white people become as unacceptable as racism? Ranging from insulting tweets to being shot dead on live tv

When murder becomes a mass, continuous, consensual means of handling things by majority of blacks. It has not reached that point yet and hopefully never will.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Ammi sorry but nope! Who is constantly named the best rapper of all time? Eminen. Google king of rock n roll who shows up? Elvis. The list goes on. I read messages like ******* shouldn't listen to rock n roll. When I went to download the looks I was getting-uh. It's not just copying and flattery-they appropriate it with their own rules and reward themselves for it.

..yeah I recall you saying about Download, that is odd, the looks you were getting but there again..by how many people though/of the thousands that were there ..?...ok, just one site I know but in googling the top 20 R&B singers of all time, 19 of them are black artists and only one (Mariah Carey) isn't...yeah it did say about Eminem but maybe the most commercially successful..?...I'm not disagreeing with you CeeCee, just trying to get my head/thoughts around it and it doesn't seem that 'clear cut' ...

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I recall you saying about Download, that is odd, the looks you were getting but there again..by how many people though/of the thousands that were there ..?...ok, just one site I know but in googling the top 20 R&B singers of all time, 19 of them are black artists and only one (Mariah Carey) isn't...yeah it did say about Eminem but maybe the most commercially successful..?...I'm not disagreeing with you CeeCee, just trying to get my head/thoughts around it and it doesn't seem that 'clear cut' ...

Sometimes it just is though, Ammi. The real way to view this is trying to identify where Bank's anger comes from. Like when people try so hard to find out the root of a white man's murderous streak instead of focusing on 2-3 trigger words.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Sometimes it just is though, Ammi. The real way to view this is trying to identify where Bank's anger comes from. Like when people try so hard to find out the root of a white man's murderous streak instead of focusing on 2-3 trigger words.

..yeah sometimes though, I think that's the thing because sometimes it's not as well but if it's thought 'all of the time' or in cases where it doesn't apply, see isn't that were it can lose validity as well which is a shame ..I do see where her anger and frustration comes from but is it that it's always appropriate/the direction of it...or is sometimes she wrong and it's misplaced..?..that's the thing really...and it's also how she puts her points across sometimes I think that's in danger of alienating and her points get lost in that obviously and they shouldn't get lost so I think that's something that she needs to think about in her passion...

...hmm, I've just been thinking about the 'killer' thing..?..I never agree with focus being put on serial killers anyway, but would much rather hear the stories of victims/but that's media etc...but thinking about it...I was thinking of the Batman killer...James Holmes, Anders Behring Breivik/Norway killer, Andreas Lubitz, the German co pilot...obviously that's just a few more recent ones...but I couldn't off the top of my head think of a black serial killer..I mean I'm sure there are some but maybe these profiles seem to be more because there are more white serial killers or have been more recently..?.../I'll have to research this a bit....