[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think if Trump ends up being president - and he may well do ... it is America, he will be assassinated within days of taking office

Scary thought

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think if Trump ends up being president - and he may well do ... it is America, he will be assassinated within days of taking office

oh please, they said the same thing about Obama being elected. CERTAINLY America being the horrible racist country it is, someone will assassinate Obama... yet here we are 7 years later.

[Kizzy]

'I was not slating all Muslims - neither the religion nor the people - but stating a plain fact about SOME which I KNOW of from my own direct experience, so your over-reaction is really uncalled for.

Incidentally, the way that certain posts on here ALWAYS attract applause emoticons from certain members REGARDLESS of any truth or merit or lack of them, in the post, is both predictable AND laughable.'

As is Red and myself, what makes your opinion and experience any more valid than ours?... It doesn't therefore your constant challenges and defamation of our perspective is disingenuous.

I agreed with RD and I used an applause emoticon if this is directed at me I feel that is both rude and unfair, I do agree with the comments made and it is not for you to judge her experiences. The applause emoticon is used regularly by yourself too as I recall therefore I find your comment a tad hypocritical.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;8314426]'I was not slating all Muslims - neither the religion nor the people - but stating a plain fact about SOME which I KNOW of from my own direct experience, so your over-reaction is really uncalled for.

Incidentally, the way that certain posts on here ALWAYS attract applause emoticons from certain members REGARDLESS of any truth or merit or lack of them, in the post, is both predictable AND laughable.'

"As is Red and myself, what makes your opinion and experience any more valid than ours?... It doesn't therefore your constant challenges and defamation of our perspective is disingenuous."


What does this which I underscored actually mean?

WHERE DID I SAY THAT MY OPINION AND EXPERIENCE IS ANY MORE VALID THAN YOURS? Stick to facts, your constant misrepresenting is wearing.


"I agreed with RD and I used an applause emoticon if this is directed at me I feel that is both rude and unfair, I do agree with the comments made and it is not for you to judge her experiences."


I could not care less who you so predictably agree with. And if I the cap fits wear it, because DID I NAME YOU?

My point is that how can one agree with a response post which MISINTERPRETS the points made in the original post which it is responding to? Especially when the author of that original post has taken the time and trouble to reply and point out such misinterpretations?

Still agreeing after the above, shows not empathy through a shared point of view, but bigotry purely because such a response is against the original poster.

"The applause emoticon is used regularly by yourself too as I recall therefore I find your comment a tad hypocritical."


Another blatantly false statement based on convenient supposition NOT facts. Yes I use the applause emoticon regularly, but not in any sheep-like manner to merely support members who I like or who hold the same political opinions that I do, I applaud posts ONLY where I GENUINELY regard such posts as being meritorious - no matter WHO is posting them.

I have applauded posts by your good self, Joey Steele, Demolition Red, ToySoldier, Cherie, and a host of other members - NONE of whom particularly share my politics or other views.

However, I notice that despite me regularly being among the MOST applauded on here for my posts - if not THE most applauded - YOU have never seen fit to applaud ANY of my posts. I would say that is more 'telling' than 'coincidence' and just corroborates the very point I made in my post which you are decrying and responding to.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;8314684]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'I was not slating all Muslims - neither the religion nor the people - but stating a plain fact about SOME which I KNOW of from my own direct experience, so your over-reaction is really uncalled for.

Incidentally, the way that certain posts on here ALWAYS attract applause emoticons from certain members REGARDLESS of any truth or merit or lack of them, in the post, is both predictable AND laughable.'

"As is Red and myself, what makes your opinion and experience any more valid than ours?... It doesn't therefore your constant challenges and defamation of our perspective is disingenuous."


What does this which I underscored actually mean?

WHERE DID I SAY THAT MY OPINION AND EXPERIENCE IS ANY MORE VALID THAN YOURS? Stick to facts, your constant misrepresenting is wearing.


"I agreed with RD and I used an applause emoticon if this is directed at me I feel that is both rude and unfair, I do agree with the comments made and it is not for you to judge her experiences."


I could not care less who you so predictably agree with. And if I the cap fits wear it, because DID I NAME YOU?

My point is that how can one agree with a response post which MISINTERPRETS the points made in the original post which it is responding to? Especially when the author of that original post has taken the time and trouble to reply and point out such misinterpretations?

Still agreeing after the above, shows not empathy through a shared point of view, but bigotry purely because such a response is against the original poster.

"The applause emoticon is used regularly by yourself too as I recall therefore I find your comment a tad hypocritical."


Another blatantly false statement based on convenient supposition NOT facts. Yes I use the applause emoticon regularly, but not in any sheep-like manner to merely support members who I like or who hold the same political opinions that I do, I applaud posts ONLY where I GENUINELY regard such posts as being meritorious - no matter WHO is posting them.

I have applauded posts by your good self, Joey Steele, Demolition Red, ToySoldier, Cherie, and a host of other members - NONE of whom particularly share my politics or other views.

However, I notice that despite me regularly being among the MOST applauded on here for my posts - if not THE most applauded - YOU have never seen fit to applaud ANY of my posts. I would say that is more 'telling' than 'coincidence' and just corroborates the very point I made in my post which you are decrying and responding to.

Not blowing your own trumpet a tad?... dear me, I just clapped as I agreed with a post :/
Let's stick to the topic.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;8314705]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not blowing your own trumpet a tad?... dear me, I just clapped as I agreed with a post :/
Let's stick to the topic.

No - not blowing my own trumpet, just stating facts.

I have no probem 'sticking to topics' but like to do so without constantly being deliberately misinterpreted and misrepresented for the sake of argument winning.

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;8314717]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No - not blowing my own trumpet, just stating facts.

I have no probem 'sticking to topics' but like to do so without constantly being deliberately misinterpreted and misrepresented for the sake of argument winning.

You did this when you commented on my clapping, I was just defending my right to agree with whoever I like.

[Tom4784]

After looking into these Sharia patrols, I've not found much outside of incidents in 2013-14 which were dealt with by the police and condemned by the Muslim community. I've not been able to find any reports of recent patrols that weren't recycled propaganda from wannabe Britain First websites.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

After looking into these Sharia patrols, I've not found much outside of incidents in 2013-14 which were dealt with by the police and condemned by the Muslim community. I've not been able to find any reports of recent patrols that weren't recycled propaganda from wannabe Britain First websites.

This. One of the only things I can find is that the patrols have been broken up and the members prosecuted.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/459...Anjem-Choudary

[Cherie]

I regularly travel to Whitechapel for meetings and have done for 15 years never had an issue and never felt intimidated

[Kizzy]

Patrols in Whitechapel?

Members of the nationalist group Britain First drove an armoured van to the East London Mosque on January 16 before handing out anti-Muslim leaflets in Brick Lane.

A similar “patrol” took place in the same area a year ago in response to so-called “Muslim Patrols” that resulted in Islamists being jailed for abusing the public.

On that occasion the group said it hoped to “bait” Muslims with alcohol and cigarettes in order to provoke trouble.

Police were alerted about the so-called Christian patrols and spoke to members of the group, but said no crimes were committed and no arrests made.

They added police presence had already been beefed up in Brick Lane for the area’s busy nightlife.

Rushanara Ali, MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, said there was no place for the “divisive” patrols in the East End.

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.u...lims_1_3925512

[DemolitionRed]

On analyses of your post I responded to, lets see why I responded like I did

I am sick to ******* death of hearing phrases such as 'Alienating' and 'segregating' and 'ostracising' when it comes to immigrants, especially Muslims.

and then you say:

The British people have opened up this country for them, welcomed them with open arms, and extended jobs or benefits to them

So you say you hate the word 'alienate' but then went on to 'alienate' Muslims from every other type of immigrant who apparently bleed our system dry?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

On analyses of your post I responded to, lets see why I responded like I did

I am sick to ******* death of hearing phrases such as 'Alienating' and 'segregating' and 'ostracising' when it comes to immigrants, especially Muslims.

and then you say:

The British people have opened up this country for them, welcomed them with open arms, and extended jobs or benefits to them

So you say you hate the word 'alienate' but then went on to 'alienate' Muslims from every other type of immigrant who apparently bleed our system dry?

You are an educated, intelligent woman Red, so this is beneath you - or maybe not.

I have extensively explained WHY I was referring specifically to Muslims.

1) This thread is specifically about Muslims.
2) The usage of the words 'Alienate' etc is in posts on this thread and was used specifically about Muslims.

I am alienating no one by pointing out the TRUTH that certain people are overlooking the very real fact that a lot of immigrants - especially Muslims - segregate themselves and want NO part of integrating with indigenious British people, or our way of life, or our laws and traditions and customs.

Now, if you can find GENUINE fault with that statement, then please enlighten me, but there is no need for dishonest 'straw clutching' in trying to make out that I am saying something which I am NOT saying.

As for my innocuous and perfectably normal use of the descriptor 'them' to describe a group of people - why do you attempt to make out that I am being 'racist' or that I am 'alienating' such a group by using such a normal word?

Should I laboriously write out the name of the group in full just so that I am not unjustly accused of being racist or xenophobic or anti-immigrant by opportunists reaching for straws?

No - I am not afraid to speak the truth - on this forum or in the real world. It is said on here that Trump is 'dangerous' and a 'fool' and that may well be the truth , because he sees 'things' that are not there. But there are other kinds of dangerous fools as well - those who CANNOT see what IS there - of which perhaps the worst of them are those who try to INTIMIDATE into silence those of us who CAN see what is there.

[Johnnyuk123]

I saw this video a while ago now but think it really helps shed light on why intergration into western society is still very difficult for many muslim people. Sorry but this video is not in english so you will have to read the subtitles. It's worth a watch.

Youtube video

[erinp5]

Seems he's moved on to mocking disabled journalist
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6749346.html

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Seems he's moved on to mocking disabled journalist
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6749346.html

Its a fallacy to say Trump is's trying to address anything. Trump's policies are all so vague to give the impression he makes them up on the spot but he does tend to say the things people want to hear. Donald should stick to this ie insulting anyone who goes against him as that seems to be the biggest reason why he is still ahead in the polls.

[DemolitionRed]

If you want to back an argument up with examples, you will always find them. That works either way.
You believe in what you believe and they believe in what they believe.
Regardless of what you say they won't agree with you.
Regardless of what they say, you won't agree with them.
People walk away from debates like this hot under the collar and with the same thoughts they had when they entered.

And Kirk, I made no suggestion that you are racist/xenophobic. I think you, like many people in Britain, are anxious about Muslim immigrants and that anxiousness isn't just about the radicalised ones. That's the difference between you and I...radicalised Sunni's worry me, quite a lot actually; the rest don't.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you want to back an argument up with examples, you will always find them. That works either way.
You believe in what you believe and they believe in what they believe.
Regardless of what you say they won't agree with you.
Regardless of what they say, you won't agree with them.
People walk away from debates like this hot under the collar and with the same thoughts they had when they entered.

And Kirk, I made no suggestion that you are racist/xenophobic. I think you, like many people in Britain, are anxious about Muslim immigrants and that anxiousness isn't just about the radicalised ones. That's the difference between you and I...radicalised Sunni's worry me, quite a lot actually; the rest don't.

No prob Red. I am genuinely NOT concerned or afraid of ordinary moderate Muslims though. If you moved through just one normal month with me you would certainly be astonished just who number among my friends and associates.

Most of the Muslims I associate with are as detestful of IS and their supporters as I am.

It's the UK based Muslims who do NOT voice that same hatred who I DO have problems with.

[Mystic Mock]

I've had quite a few Muslim friends in my short life so far, but tbf I think that it's understandable to be anxious against Islam as a Religion because it is in the modern times creating the most Terrorist organisations out of the Religions.

Do I agree with Trump's idea? Hell no, but I can definitely understand Kirk's paranoia on this thread, and I can understand why people are scared to go into mainly Muslim areas.

But I also understand the other point of view that the Media should be trying to calm people down about the Muslims and show some of their good sides, and not just show all of the ISIS stuff to cover up the fact about other areas where we know corruption is.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

Steve's dad was a small child when his dual national grandparent fled with him from Nazi occupied Poland. On reaching these shores though, they apparently were not received well. He often speaks about the anti-semitic feeling in this country during WW2 and especially the intolerant attitude of the Brits towards the Jewish refugees, it was so bad that when they got out of London, the family surname was changed to a very English sounding one and he was discouraged from speaking his mother tongue and warned not to talk about his past, in fact he was encouraged to make up stories about where he'd come from.

Every time I see a headline like the one Kizzy has just shown, I can't help but feel, this is history repeating itself. The trouble is, this is what a gullible public want because it backs up their own uneducated judgements. It doesn't matter if its true or not to those who choose to believe it; its just more evidence they so gleefully want.

[Kizzy]

Exactly, I feel the same that history is repeating itself. Jews with German accents being looked at as nazis are eerily similar to the Syrians and Afghans being aligned with ISIS/L.