[Crimson Dynamo]

a muckle great fighter jet flew down my valley at around 300 feet or so when I was out there, scared the bejeezuz out of me

[Vicky.]

I would love to know where the money is coming from too tbh, given how we are apparently broke and such. Not completely sure, but I would bet even one strike costs 500k or upwards, 6 last night wasnt it?

[Vicky.]

Also until this debate yesterday I didnt know we were still bombing Iraq?! Either that was kept quiet or I don't watch enough news

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also until this debate yesterday I didnt know we were still bombing Iraq?! Either that was kept quiet or I don't watch enough news

Correct

[Denver]

We are doing it right though as France are attacking IS strongholds and Russia are attacking anyone who disagrees with Putin's Puppet the best thing for the UK to do is hit it where it hurts and take away their valuable assets such as oil

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Donder Kebab

We are doing it right though as France are attacking IS strongholds and russian are attacking anyone who disagrees with Putin Puppet the best thing for the UK to do is hit it where it hurts and take away there valuable assets such as oil

I agree with you Adam.

[Josy]

Not sure what's going on with the quotes in my post

[Jamie89]

I'm normally a bit of a hippy pacifist with war and things (peace and love man) but I actually feel quite a strong sense of relief about the air strikes going ahead. One of my friends is a Syrian migrant who came over a few years ago on a student visa (his family are all still in Syria) and honestly, as terrifying as it is to think that innocent people might get caught in the crossfire of the air strikes, it's unimaginably worse to know that your loved ones are at constant risk of being kidnapped/tortured/beheaded etc with NO end in sight. And that's the point of the airstrikes, to try and stop ISIS for good. If anyone, ANYONE was able to come up with a better solution then I'd be the first one to say 'cancel the air strikes' but I just don't see it. At least, not anything that would actually help Syrian people NOW. It's all about how it makes us look bad, or we might become a target, or they're not being sensitive and respectful enough about it, but none of this changes the fact that ordinary people like us are living in hell with no way out, and if this has a chance of providing them with one then surely it's worth the risk?

[Northern Monkey]

CNN saying that British Tornados set off from Cyprus soon after the vote was passed and hit 7 targets in an oil field which is quite close to the Iraqi border.
It is an important target which makes IS alot of money.
We have wanted to take this oil field out for a while but were never allowed to previously because we could'nt cross the Syrian border.
It is good that the RAF can now get on with the job in hand without the border restriction which was ridiculous.
The fact that we went straight for this oil field as soon as authorised shows just how important it was.

[Livia]

Well, if they've got it so bad they're leaving their homeland with nothing, I'd hazard a guess that they want something to be done... anything... that might give them a chance to get back to some kind of normality in the country they were born. No diplomatic plan was ever going to work, I think everyone's agreed on that; IS will not negotiate. I'm firmly for the bombing, I believe that it will help. But it still breaks my heart we have to do it and the sooner we can stop the better.

[arista]

"The truth is, we aren't needed yet. We aren't going to change a single thing as the situation stands"

Fair Point Dezzy

But do you agree
that Labour MP's that voted for it
should get threats?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

"The truth is, we aren't needed yet. We aren't going to change a single thing as the situation stands"

Fair Point Dezzy

But do you agree
that Labour MP's that voted for it
should get threats?

Kevan Jones

I have spoke to him before a few times too. I have now voted for him twice in the locals...never again.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

"The truth is, we aren't needed yet. We aren't going to change a single thing as the situation stands"

Fair Point Dezzy

But do you agree
that Labour MP's that voted for it
should get threats?

Ridiculous comments by people who protest they are peaceful

[Glenn.]

Twitter was ****ing ridiculous last night. So many idiots bleating ****

[joeysteele]

I have not come across any Labour MPs under threat of de-selection,I am not in 232 constituencies however so cannot say it is not going on.
If it is then the leadership of the Party have to crush this completely and get to the bottom of it rapidly too.

There has been some abuse towards some MPs who were voting for the action,that is inevitable on such a highly charged issue,however threats and worse have no place in any democratic process.
Really bad if, and I stress 'IF' any Labour activists or supporters are doing any abuse and threats but that needs to be investigated and proven before condemning anyone.

However also, there are a number of MPs who are uptight as to if the boundary changes are brought in by the govt. This will mean some seats disappear just about or have one MP rather than 2 in the same area.
Inevitably that will mean one MP gets the selection and one will be de-selected obviously.
There is no way around that one.

[GiRTh]

So we finally went for the tit for tat attack. I dont see how this will solve any of the problems at all. They will strike back and we will attack again...and on and on the cycle goes.

[MTVN]

Our planes were already in the region and carrying out reconnaissance work over Syria so its not a surprise that they were quick to act after the vote. Of course we are not going to make the difference but we can fill a niche in that our planes possess targeting capacities that French and American jets lack. More importantly this symbols our participation in the international coalition against ISIS and I am pleased that we are correcting the anomaly of only carrying out strikes in Iraq.

[DemolitionRed]

News directly out of Syria

Bombing the oil sources of ISIS is not giving its results
http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=1568

[Z]

I'm thoroughly disappointed with the decision to bomb Syria. We should have stayed out, withdrawn from bombing Iraq and then ****ed with the economy of whatever undesirable nation emerges from the ashes of Iraq and Syria like we do with every other country in the world we don't like. Dropping bombs kills and will cause terrorist attacks to happen here. People can bleat on about how doing nothing wouldn't help but doing this isn't going to help either, it's going to make it worse.

[Brother Leon]

I just find it ironic how quick our politicians were to criticise Russia when they were doing the same thing......

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by FergieWonderland

I just find it ironic how quick our politicians were to criticise Russia when they were doing the same thing......

Yes, only 2 months back Cameron was saying the Russians bombing them would lead to 'further radicalization and increased terrorism'.

What changed?

[MTVN]

Well the Cameron line is that the Russians were bombing these moderate forces who we should be helping and that will convert them to Islamists. I don't really agree with him but thats his logic I guess

[DemolitionRed]

The least bad outcome would be that it solves nothing and kills lots of innocent people. The more likely outcome will be that it makes matters much worse and kills lots of innocent people.

The two are not separable. Killing lots of innocent people never solves anything and usually makes things much worse.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The least bad outcome would be that it solves nothing and kills lots of innocent people. The more likely outcome will be that it makes matters much worse and kills lots of innocent people.

The two are not separable. Killing lots of innocent people never solves anything and usually makes things much worse.

I think it's more or less irrelevant at this point DR... Without meaning to be an alarmist, it only takes a quick glance back at the last few days, then weeks, then years and a functional knowledge of politics and history to figure out the glaringly obvious. What we are discussing and witnessing here is not about Syria, ISIS or Terrorism. It's the starting pistol for WW3. Game over, kids.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I think it's more or less irrelevant at this point DR... Without meaning to be an alarmist, it only takes a quick glance back at the last few days, then weeks, then years and a functional knowledge of politics and history to figure out the glaringly obvious. What we are discussing and witnessing here is not about Syria, ISIS or Terrorism. It's the starting pistol for WW3. Game over, kids.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/syria/65094...tate-oil-trade