[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?

How do you know she did? How do you know that she knew he had it? Are parents supposed to circle their kids (almost teenagers) and keep them on a tight leash at all times? Should we have to worry that they'll be shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting people?

This boy did a stupid thing but... he was 12. A 12 year old boy. 12 year old boys feel invincible and do stupid, reckless things that sometimes get them hurt... whether that's playing chicken or climbing around high-voltage wires or any number of potentially dangerous things. One of those risks should NOT be armed men rolling up in a car and opening fire when they could easily - EASILY - have been much more careful and resolved the misunderstanding from a distance.

This is, at best, an indication that these officers are poorly trained and a complete revision of their methods needs to be in place. There are only two options here. Either these guys were following procedure when this occurred in which case, their procedures are woefully lacking and the entire department needs deconstructing brick by brick and put back together properly... or, they were NOT following procedure, in which case they are guilty as sin of causing the unnecessary death of a child.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by arista

"3 seconds is all it took to shoot him dead..they had a report that someone had a gun,"

Yes why did that mother let her son out the Front
with a Toy Gun?


Thats the lesson here.


Now those Officers were Cleared.

Nope! The lesson is question first, shoot later if shooting is needed at all! They ****ed up yet again and nobody is paying for it but the poor boy's family. And aren't you the one supporting Kurt Russell saying he owns a gun and isn't afraid to shoot it? One rule applies to some but not others? If that is your true belief than your statement should not be "why did a mother let out her son with a toy gun" otherwise Kurt Russell should also be shot if he's seen out with his gun. Since them Hollywood dudes like to get drunk it could happen that he's drunk waving his gun about.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

This meathead basically threatens anyone who disagree with police tactics.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

How do you know she did? How do you know that she knew he had it? Are parents supposed to circle their kids (almost teenagers) and keep them on a tight leash at all times? Should we have to worry that they'll be shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting people?

This boy did a stupid thing but... he was 12. A 12 year old boy. 12 year old boys feel invincible and do stupid, reckless things that sometimes get them hurt... whether that's playing chicken or climbing around high-voltage wires or any number of potentially dangerous things. One of those risks should NOT be armed men rolling up in a car and opening fire when they could easily - EASILY - have been much more careful and resolved the misunderstanding from a distance.

This is, at best, an indication that these officers are poorly trained and a complete revision of their methods needs to be in place. There are only two options here. Either these guys were following procedure when this occurred in which case, their procedures are woefully lacking and the entire department needs deconstructing brick by brick and put back together properly... or, they were NOT following procedure, in which case they are guilty as sin of causing the unnecessary death of a child.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Nope! The lesson is question first, shoot later if shooting is needed at all! They ****ed up yet again and nobody is paying for it but the poor boy's family. And aren't you the one supporting Kurt Russell saying he owns a gun and isn't afraid to shoot it? One rule applies to some but not others? If that is your true belief than your statement should not be "why did a mother let out her son with a toy gun" otherwise Kurt Russell should also be shot if he's seen out with his gun. Since them Hollywood dudes like to get drunk it could happen that he's drunk waving his gun about.

No this is America
Are you aware that Police get Assassinated
(Ref NYC)

If you start killing cops
I would shoot first

As I would Wish To Stay Alive



Now
those 2 Cops were cleared of this.

And they are still Alive.,

[arista]

"Are parents supposed to circle their kids" TS said


Look its very simple
that young lad had removed the Pink tip
I guess as a kid I would as well.

The lesson is you child must no longer go out the Front
unless he has - No Toy Guns with Pink tip removed

Its That Simple TS

[Ammi]

..it's not that simple though..in saying that it's that simple is only looking at Tamir and his actions on that day and not the actions of the police officers...should he have gone out with a toy gun that looked like a real one, should he have waved it around and pointed it toward people etc...well no, of course not, a pretty dumb thing, eh..but he did, didn't he because he was a 12yr old boy and 12yr old boys can do dumb things...


..in an open gun state, it's for police officers/trained police officers to be able to distinguish the 'dumb' though, to be able to assess danger and to be able to attempt to protect themselves from it to try to uphold the law so that no one gets killed..they chose to not park a distance away from him, take cover etc and try to talk to him and in doing so would have realised his age...I mean, he had a gun but he hadn't fired it, if it was a real gun then he'd had the opportunity to hurt people with it but he hadn't, so maybe didn't intend to even if their thoughts were that the gun was real...but no talking..?...no assessing..?...no attempt to protect themselves even..?..just pulling right up a few feet away from what they thought was a 'public danger' ..is that what a police officer training would say to do...to drive straight into a 'danger zone'...

..he was dumb, well they were dumber because he was a 12yr old child who was dumb, they're trained police officers who didn't give any opportunity for a different outcome, one that would not have meant a loss of life...they drove right in front of him when they didn't have to, their choice..they gave themselves no more than seconds, so that to them, a split second decision had to be made to shoot him dead, their choice...the choice of police officers who have chosen to do this/their job in an open gun state so should be able to determine things before they fire their weapons...or at least attempt to, even if they were to get it wrong because no one is saying that errors of judgement can't be made sometimes but there was no apparent attempts at all to be seen with this...yes, he walked toward them with the fake gun but how did that happen...?...because they drove right up in front of him, because they put themselves in that position, he didn't do that..he didn't force that split decision out of them, to shoot and kill him...not once did they try to protect themselves from what they're saying they thought was a genuine weapon..the dumbest of the dumbest of the dumb and it's so wrong to dismiss that by focusing only on Tamir's wrongs in this...to focus only on the dumb of a 12yr old child...


..interesting actually because I'd forgotten the police call content and although a complete description had been given of what he was wearing etc, it really couldn't have been any clearer, there was a repeat question of...'is he black or white..'...so there was no one else wearing those same clothes, why was that so relevant that it was repeated and repeated and repeated...


..and it 'was his mum's fault' as well..(not his dad's obviously, but just his mum's..)...so many people at fault here but no fault on those who shot him, poor things...being forced to put themselves in danger the way they did, being forced to give themselves no alternative but to shoot him dead...to allow for no other outcome...to find out if he had any intention of firing a gun that he hadn't thus far fired...whatever Tamir did wrong, he has fully paid the ultimate price for that and so have his family, those police officers have not for their many, many wrongs with this....so really not that simple at all...

[arista]

"12yr old boys can do dumb things.."


He was not Dumb, Ammi


If I was his age I would break the pink tip off, as well

Poor Zones
Need to be advised more

[Ammi]

..so 12yr old who don't live in 'poor zones', don't need to be advised more..so not an age thing at all then..?...and again, no fault on the police officers who drove right in front of someone they thought had a loaded gun ...what was their 'advice' in that situation, shoot to kill always, take no chances, don't attempt to preserve life...?....

[arista]

"12yr old who don't live in 'poor zones', don't need to be advised more."


The Fecking Do in America.


They Must be advised

America is Law and Order


Ammi have you ever been in America
I mean non tourist zones
Because I have

[Ammi]

..then you would know would you not, that a first role and thought of a trained police officer is to protect and preserve against loss of life and not to put themselves into a position of danger, not to drive right up within a few feet of someone who they think has an armed weapon and fire their weapons within seconds of doing that ...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..then you would know would you not, that a first role and thought of a trained police officer is to protect and preserve against loss of life and not to put themselves into a position of danger, not to drive right up within a few feet of someone who they think has an armed weapon and fire their weapons within seconds of doing that ...

Bang On Right Ammi
So there is a kid with Gun!
(the Pink Tip had been Removed)
Those officers must not Die


Law and Order
is not like what you have in your teaching zone.

America is Special
a New Nation


Back in the Day
We Used to Run them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Bang On Right Ammi
So there is a kid with Gun!
(the Pink Tip had been Removed)
Those officers must not Die


Law and Order
is not like what you have in your teaching zone.

America is Special
a New Nation


Back in the Day
We Used to Run them.

..there was a child with a gun who hadn't fired it at anyone but had, had every opportunity to... they could have kept a safe distance away from him, stayed behind their car etc, attempted to talk to him, attempted an assessment of the situation, attempted a preservation of life, waited for other officers..all of the things that could have been done but they did none of them, not one..that's what there was Arista...there was that 'kids' life to attempt to preserve as well...they placed themselves in danger, their choice...

...what does 'back in the day we used to run them' mean..?...

[Ammi]

..and stop Arista with a total focus on one thing with the bang on right Ammi..in that their role was to protect themselves from what they thought was an armed weapon..(even though the caller had expressed doubts about that, so a possibility of it not being was there to be greatly considered as well..)...when they put themselves in front of that weapon, something that was beyond dumb for any trained police officer...

[arista]

Arista...there was that 'kids' life to attempt to preserve as well.


Yes but it looked like a GUN
no Pink Tip


The Officers Have Been Cleared

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Arista...there was that 'kids' life to attempt to preserve as well.


Yes but it looked like a GUN
no Pink Tip


The Officers Have Been Cleared

..it looked like a gun so it should have been assessed that it was in fact a genuine gun before pulling up in front of it, should it not..?...I'm not a trained police officer, but I wouldn't put myself in front of what I thought was a loaded gun if I didn't have to, would anyone, let alone trained police officers who more than know that would be the absolute wrong thing to do..

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it looked like a gun so it should have been assessed that it was in fact a genuine gun before pulling up in front of it, should it not..?...I'm not a trained police officer, but I wouldn't put myself in front of what I thought was a loaded gun if I didn't have to, would anyone, let alone trained police officers who more than know that would be the absolute wrong thing to do..

That is where their explanation loses all credibility. No trained officer would put themselves in front of a live gun if there was any chance they would get shot, and had many other options available.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That is where their explanation loses all credibility. No trained officer would put themselves in front of a live gun if there was any chance they would get shot, and had many other options available.

..yeah and that being their very first action as well bitontheslide, leaves there being no credibility in any of what happened that day...no credibility and no justification, none whatsoever...a child need not have died, parents need not have lost their son but it was so because of the actions of police officers, the very first actions of trained police officers...

[Ammi]

...you (genuinely think..).. you're going into a 'danger zone', you place yourself in front of that danger zone..you place yourself in danger and leave no option other than to shoot dead..(you think..)...all, all decisions and choices that you yourself have made despite any training that would say that would be the thing you would not do in the first place...you bear no responsibility for that child brandishing a fake gun but you bear every responsibility for his loss of life...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it looked like a gun so it should have been assessed that it was in fact a genuine gun before pulling up in front of it, should it not..?...I'm not a trained police officer, but I wouldn't put myself in front of what I thought was a loaded gun if I didn't have to, would anyone, let alone trained police officers who more than know that would be the absolute wrong thing to do..

Yes I can feel that.

First off its USA
Nothing like UK Law And order


To many young kids get real guns (In USA)
sadly this lad did not understand
that he must stay in the garden.


Its Tragic

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...you (genuinely think..).. you're going into a 'danger zone', you place yourself in front of that danger zone..you place yourself in danger and leave no option other than to shoot dead..(you think..)...all, all decisions and choices that you yourself have made despite any training that would say that would be the thing you would not do in the first place...you bear no responsibility for that child brandishing a fake gun but you bear every responsibility for his loss of life...

All Fake Guns have Pink Tips.


This toy had the tip removed, sadly

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by arista

No this is America
Are you aware that Police get Assassinated
(Ref NYC)

If you start killing cops
I would shoot first

As I would Wish To Stay Alive


.,

Tamir didn't even get a chance to yell boom boom. White privilege.

[arista]

I.T.I.L.Y.

So what
this is about a young bog tragic Death
No Pink Tip on his Toy gun.


Those Cops are Cleared
and Working good Now

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]