[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I know Jason would forgive Andy if he nominated him. But I can't. I hate disloyalty.

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Has Andy nominated Jason then ?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by hot2go

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Has Andy nominated Jason then ?

We don't know yet, but the clip suggests he feels terrible for nominating someone. I can't see who else it could be. Sound like Jason to me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, when has Jason ever defended Andy. It seems like pretty much a one sided friendship to me, Andy puts himself on the line for Jason on the regular but Jason's quiet as a mouse when the HMs bitch about Andy.

Jason's a terrible friend.

I agree Andy has been a better friend to Jason than Jason has been to him. He didn't even TRY to get Andy immunity; he says not a word when HM's bitch about 'his friend'. I don't know what some people are seeing, but it's certainly not the facts.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Exactly Joey! You'd think Andy had sworn on oath to be 100% for Jason at all times, never leave his side and only have fun when Jason is in the mood. He's a friend, not Jason's paid carer, and I'm sure Jason would be mortified if he knew people were practically saying he should be molly coddled.

Brilliant post jet...I agree.

And why people who liked both of them two days ago and have done for weeks are now wanting others to choose sides I just can't understand.
I like both but there's never been a question of switching sides, I want Andy to win. But if Jason wins I would be delighted too. Even if Hughie or Jayne win I wouldn't be unhappy about it. TBF it's enough for me to know Lateysha didn't win, anything else is just a bonus.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

I agree Andy has been a better friend to Jason than Jason has been to him. He didn't even TRY to get Andy immunity; he says not a word when HM's bitch about 'his friend'. I don't know what some people are seeing, but it's certainly not the facts.

I take Jason with his flaws, they all have them but some are more / or less acceptable to people depending on what is deemed offensive to each individual.
I didn't turn against Jason when he hasn't been there for Andy in the past so I sure as hell ain't gonna turn against Andy for it, especially as I've yet to even see anything that constitutes the allegations being made.

When Andy took on the whole house because of their treatment of Jason, Jason didn't have Andys back at all. He sat with Alex instead and listened to him defend the clique while putting Andy down.
When Hughie bullied Andy in the garden then continued to harass and intimidate him in the kitchen Jason was right there and said noting.
I've yet to see how Andy has been disloyal to Jason but if he has he's not exactly breaking new ground in the house is he ?

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I take Jason with his flaws, they all have them but some are more / or less acceptable to people depending on what is deemed offensive to each individual.
I didn't turn against Jason when he hasn't been there for Andy in the past so I sure as hell ain't gonna turn against Andy for it, especially as I've yet to even see anything that constitutes the allegations being made.

When Andy took on the whole house because of their treatment of Jason, Jason didn't have Andys back at all. He sat with Alex instead and listened to him defend the clique while putting Andy down.
When Hughie bullied Andy in the garden then continued to harass and intimidate him in the kitchen Jason was right there and said noting.
I've yet to see how Andy has been disloyal to Jason but if he has he's not exactly breaking new ground in the house is he ?

I was exactly the same. I didn't even mention at the time what I seen as Jason not supporting Andy because I reckoned Andy was well able to look after himself and it isn't as if they were life long pals. They've only known each other for a few weeks ffs. I still liked Jason and he remained my 2nd fave.
But people turning on Andy like that after he had stood alone with Jason has totally sickened me, Jason is obviously seen as a weak character who needs Andy to babysit him and never utter a word that isn't entirely wonderful about him. It's a shame, because Jason himself has done nothing to deserve that image. But I admit all this BS about 'poor' Jason has put me off him a bit, human nature I suppose when your patience is wearing thin with all the 'Andy is horrible' dramatics and when the man being wrongly maligned is MY fave!

[_Tom_]

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

Yes and he never does that. He goes straight to the diary room or to the other to bitch So if he nominated him for me it's the last straw.

[jet]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

I agree it was disloyal, if Andy was a proper true friend he would've said all this to Jason directly to try and help him - not bitching behind his back in the DR and mimicking him. If he wants to help Jason he needs to actually speak to him

He did speak to him. You are mistaken.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

We don't know yet, but the clip suggests he feels terrible for nominating someone. I can't see who else it could be. Sound like Jason to me.

I think it could be Alex....I really do...and he would feel bad about it.
Andy def was shocked at Alex taking the money.

[hot2go]

I agree with Jet....the betrayed powerless victim role that Jason is receiving on here isn't fair on him..he is far from being any of those things and Andy too has been a great friend to him since the beginning. Neither deserve to be painted in a bad light.

[delta]

There are two wholly different characters here, one knows the difference between right and wrong and the other has a very simplistic, linear approach to life and doesn't really know or has the tools in his armoury to know how to be a proper friend.

It's like comparing chalk with the proverbial block of cheese.


Andy knows what he is doing and is at all times and is complicit in his actions...Jason is more reactive, he reacts to situations to protect himself. They clearly both want to be liked, it effects them in different ways or what we see in the way they react to not being liked or criticised. Jason goes into himself and beats himself up where as Andy, in his own devised mechanism way, goes into sly mode, contemptuous mode, in denial mode, deflective mode, scheming mode.

[Papillon]

Originally Posted by delta

There are two wholly different characters here, one knows the difference between right and wrong and the other has a very simplistic, linear approach to life and doesn't really know or has the tools in his armoury to know how to be a proper friend.

It's like comparing chalk with the proverbial block of cheese.


Andy knows what he is doing and is at all times and is complicit in his actions...Jason is more reactive, he reacts to situations to protect himself. They clearly both want to be liked, it effects them in different ways or what we see in the way they react to not being liked or criticised. Jason goes into himself and beats himself up where as Andy, in his own devised mechanism way, goes into sly mode, contemptuous mode, in denial mode, deflective mode, scheming mode.

and you go into bull$hit mode

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by jet

Have you forgotten that Andy was the only one who stood by Jason when he evicted Laytesha, risking being isolated all over again when he was getting on better with everyone?

Have you forgotten that later that very night Alex was criticising Andy to Jason and Jason said nothing to defend him?

Have your forgotten that when Andy and Jayne were up for immunity it was Jackson who jumped in and made a strong case to give it to Andy which swayed the others while Jason sat and said nothing?

Jason hasn't always been there for Andy, but people only see what they want to see.

Spot on.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Papillon

and you go into bull$hit mode

Says the poster with a sobriquet taken from a sh!t load of bullsh!t


Touch a nerve did we?