[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, but they are in the process of formulating it. Once we invoke article 50, there will then be a 2 year period of defining how we will operate post brexit. It would be madness to cripple our negotiations by making throw away comments at this stage that could prematurely affect negotiations before they have even started.

We had a referendum though bitontheslide, where we were told what the voters should and could get in the event of a 'leave; result.
There should have been concrete ideas at the very least as to what is totally acceptable and what is not.

She has in her cabinet, Liam Fox, Boris Johnson and David Davis, 3 of whom regularly 'told' the voters what to vote for.

The EU must have no doubt what they wanted.

All she is doing now is saying very little as to the way forward and removing the promises,yes the promises, made by this 3, certainly as to the points system.
I voted remain as you know,however the vote is to leave, so I want to see the best for the UK from the negotiations.
I immediately welcomed Theresa May and David Davis saying a National consensus was wanted as to the leaving of the EU.
That is a good move and I hope it is stuck to.


Separate matter now,nothing to do with yourself.
I am not in any way heavily anti Conservative,I dislike intensely many of its policies but they do not do everything wrong, just as no party does really.
That is unlike some who are anti Labour, (and anti the left of politics in general),no matter what Labour says or does and often really unfairly in my view, scathing in their attack on that Party with massive unfounded statements about same too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I think May implying she even has a plan is laughable. Neither she or any one in government has had or does have a clue of how to take Britain out of the EU without there being some modicum of bloodshed in the process. Is it possible for the vote to be quietly ignored and we carry on as if nothing had happened? I can't help but feel this all happened at a very scary time in world history and frankly I think we need all the help we can get. I read an article somewhere that said Britain's military defences are at risk post Brexit for example.

Really good points.
You are right, it is I would agree that it is laughable to believe Theresa May has a plan.

[the truth]

The solution is simple...have 2 rounds of voting. Round 1 everyone in. Then round 2 just 2 parties left and see how the votes go

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

The solution is simple...have 2 rounds of voting. Round 1 everyone in. Then round 2 just 2 parties left and see how the votes go

It would be a much better system, and much more reflective of the true will of the majority... If it wasnt for the high levels of voter apathy. It's hard enough getting people to go out and vote once, let alone twice.

You would have to change how the entire system of representation works in the UK though. Which isn't a huge problem as far as I'm concerned because, frankly, it doesn't really work.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It would be a much better system, and much more reflective of the true will of the majority... If it wasnt for the high levels of voter apathy. It's hard enough getting people to go out and vote once, let alone twice.

You would have to change how the entire system of representation works in the UK though. Which isn't a huge problem as far as I'm concerned because, frankly, it doesn't really work.

you could carry on with the old system with each mp winning their seat....however there could be an option to vote your second favourite....when the results are done..they could collate the total of first and second votes to see what the majority voted for...even then it would only be symbollic in a sense. the trouble you have now is areas that are permanently one party so the individual feels their vote is meaningless....thats 1 major reason why the EU referendum was so exciting every voted counted

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

The solution is simple...have 2 rounds of voting. Round 1 everyone in. Then round 2 just 2 parties left and see how the votes go

Ooh I like this idea. I tend to vote Labour because I know its always between them and the Tories and I don't want my vote to be 'wasted' If it was like this I could vote how I actually wanted to the first round

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ooh I like this idea. I tend to vote Labour because I know its always between them and the Tories and I don't want my vote to be 'wasted' If it was like this I could vote how I actually wanted to the first round

I can never bring myself to vote for either of our two main parties, they may as well be the same thing

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can never bring myself to vote for either of our two main parties, they may as well be the same thing

Same here really...well before Corbyn...but sadly Corbyn has no chance anyway.

Labour and Tories have been very similar for a while now, with the slight exception of Labour being a bit nicer to poorer/working class people. As someone who comes from a working class family (my grandad was a miner and would turn in his grave if I voted Tory ) and is not well off myself, Labour is the option for me. IF I was well off and owned my house and stuff, I would probably go for Tory.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can never bring myself to vote for either of our two main parties, they may as well be the same thing

To be fair, that's a comment that could have come from anyone in any country!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Same here really...well before Corbyn...but sadly Corbyn has no chance anyway.

Labour and Tories have been very similar for a while now, with the slight exception of Labour being a bit nicer to poorer/working class people. As someone who comes from a working class family (my grandad was a miner and would turn in his grave if I voted Tory ) and is not well off myself, Labour is the option for me. IF I was well off and owned my house and stuff, I would probably go for Tory.

Like I don't even think there's that kind of small difference between our two

Sinn fein really are the most different of the bigger parties, they're definitely the most "working class friendly" The problem for them though is shaking off their past associations with the IRA. They really need to get rid of Gerry Adams as their leader because his face will always remind people of that.

Originally Posted by Livia

To be fair, that's a comment that could have come from anyone in any country!

Very true

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can never bring myself to vote for either of our two main parties, they may as well be the same thing

Skim off the surface and really they're all the same, sadly. Politics attracts a certain type of person with a certain type of ambition and, at the end of the day, these types of people have the same outlook on life and politics. They just dress it up in slightly different ways. I vote SNP and am largely in favour of Scottish independence because I am generally in favour of devolved politics as much as possible, because the smaller the governed population, the more likely it is that people other than career politicians will have their voice heard and be in a position to make any real impact. I'd see a world of thousands of small city-states working in union, to be honest.

But yes anyway... it's not because I think SNP politicians are any different to Labour or Tory politicians. Sadly they're just more of the same. All of the smaller parties are. All of those who would claim otherwise are too (e.g. Mr Corbyn).

[jaxie]

I've had lots of discussions with a friend before about voter apathy and not complaining if you aren't taking part. I personally believe we should all go to postal voting to get over voter apathy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've had lots of discussions with a friend before about voter apathy and not complaining if you aren't taking part. I personally believe we should all go to postal voting to get over voter apathy.

Then loads of Dead people
end up voting Labour
thats their Corruption

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've had lots of discussions with a friend before about voter apathy and not complaining if you aren't taking part. I personally believe we should all go to postal voting to get over voter apathy.

In the constituency where I live approximately a third of all votes cast are postal votes. It's a massive amount... and it's not only elderly people who are voting by post whereas it used to be predominantly the elderly.

Originally Posted by arista

Then loads of Dead people
end up voting Labour
thats their Corruption

Postal votes are very carefully watched and bar-coded and electoral services use only the current electoral register. It's updated monthly and linked to the register of deaths and to the Council Tax office. There would be a very low risk of dead people's votes being cast by others.

[arista]

"Postal votes are very carefully watched and bar-coded and electoral services use only the current electoral register."

Yes but others still vote for others
no one there to see what goes on etc.
Corruption

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Postal votes are very carefully watched and bar-coded and electoral services use only the current electoral register."

Yes but others still vote for others
no one there to see what goes on etc.
Corruption

They can arista, I agree.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

"Postal votes are very carefully watched and bar-coded and electoral services use only the current electoral register."

Yes but others still vote for others
no one there to see what goes on etc.
Corruption

The Electoral Commission oversees all elections in the UK and prosecutes wrongdoings when they find them. Fiddling with an election carries a jail sentence. I have faith in them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Electoral Commission oversees all elections in the UK and prosecutes wrongdoings when they find them. Fiddling with an election carries a jail sentence. I have faith in them.

The relevant point being 'when' they find them, what if they 'never' find them or indeed in any way learn about them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Electoral Commission oversees all elections in the UK and prosecutes wrongdoings when they find them. Fiddling with an election carries a jail sentence. I have faith in them.

I hope more are sent to Jail,
for Corruption

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Postal votes are very carefully watched and bar-coded and electoral services use only the current electoral register."

Yes but others still vote for others
no one there to see what goes on etc.
Corruption

I think and correct me if I am wrong, part of what you are getting at is there is no overseeing of a postal vote as there is with the polling station.

How do we know the person who has the postal vote, is the person who actually has voted on the form with their own choice,not being pressured or even just someone else voting for who they want, with the postal voter merely signing the declaration.

How do we know also, that the postal vote requested, has been requested by the person concerned and not someone applying for them using their name.

No one sees what goes on with those voting with a postal vote, I think it is open to all sorts of re-directed votes possibly.

All anyone needs is a name and a date of birth of someone.
Yes a signature too but anyone can sign a form,wit possibly the person named as a postal voter, not having cast the vote themself.
Also since no proof of signature is asked for on application, anyone could get a postal vote in someone else's name, who doesn't use their vote normally, but use it for themselves to vote again.

None of that is really checked out.
Therefore some at least or even many postal votes are more likely open to misuse.

[Kizzy]

Remember when all those postal votes went AWOL from a post office van during the GE? In a Labour borough.... convenient that eh?

[Livia]

How do we know the person walking into the polling station with a polling card is the same person as the name on the card?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

How do we know the person walking into the polling station with a polling card is the same person as the name on the card?

The poll card is posted to the address as the postal vote...A cross in a box proves what exactly?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The poll card is posted to the address as the postal vote...A cross in a box proves what exactly?

A signature is required for a postal vote as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

A signature is required for a postal vote as well.

And what do they have as comparison with the postal votes, who is cross referencing these signatures?.... Is the mail as safe as a ballot box?