[user104658]

Know what is hilarious though? That all of the "better together" campaigners last time around touted the fact that we would "lose our EU membership if we split" as a major reason for maintaining the Union.... ... ... And then the same people campaigned to give up our EU membership.

You couldn't make it up.

[James]

It annoys me that the SNP have been going on so much about xenophobia and being internationalist, when the whole purpose of their party is to cause a division and put up barriers.

I think the pro-EU internationalist angle is just a politically convenient tactic for them to use at the moment.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by James

It annoys me that the SNP have been going on so much about xenophobia and being internationalist, when the whole purpose of their party is to cause a division and put up barriers.

I think the pro-EU internationalist angle is just a politically convenient tactic for them to use at the moment.

I don't see the SNP threatening to deport EU citizens who have made a life for themselves in the UK like the the Tories are. Wanting independence for your country isn't xenophobia at all.

[James]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't see the SNP threatening to deport EU citizens who have made a life for themselves in the UK like the the Tories are. Wanting independence for your country isn't xenophobia at all.

They won't say it out loud because they are too clever as politicians.

But if Scotland was independent there would be equivalent situations where people from the rest of the UK couldn't be educated here, work here or trade here as freely as before etc.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by James

They won't say it out loud because they are too clever as politicians.

But if Scotland was independent there would be equivalent situations where people from the rest of the UK couldn't be educated here, work here or trade here as freely as before etc.

According to who?

[Crimson Dynamo]

DOnt forget this is a consultation bill. Scottish people voted in the SNP by quite a bit and i think they know what they are about so dont just focus on Nicola - she is the democratically elected leader of a voting majority of Scottish people.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

DOnt forget this is a consultation bill. Scottish people voted in the SNP by quite a bit and i think they know what they are about so dont just focus on Nicola - she is the democratically elected leader of a voting majority of Scottish people.

The voting majority of Scotland also wanted to remain part of the UK but that gets ignored so the snp can continue with thier one and only agenda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

The voting majority of Scotland also wanted to remain part of the UK but that gets ignored so the snp can continue with thier one and only agenda.

No

Its in the SNP manifesto that if there was a material change in circumstances they could put up another ref bill

and then we got brexit..

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

Its in the SNP manifesto that if there was a material change in circumstances they could put up another ref bill

and then we got brexit..

Lol, there was always going to be more referendums until they get what they want...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lol, there was always going to be more referendums until they get what they want...

No, it was quite specifically set out in the manifesto.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't see the problem.If Scotland want to go it alone then cool.I think it'd be better to have a vote to see if the Scottish people actually want another referendum though.It's a democratic country after all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I don't see the problem.If Scotland want to go it alone then cool.I think it'd be better to have a vote to see if the Scottish people actually want another referendum though.It's a democratic country after all.

Do you not think electing (again) and SNP government rather makes that null?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you not think electing (again) and SNP government rather makes that null?

You don't know all the reasons that people voted the SNP in though.Yes they are a nationalist party but the last Scottish referendum told us that Scotland wanted to stay in the UK.It seems that nationalism is'nt the sole reason the SNP are doing so well but maybe disillusionment with the Westminster old boys.There may not be appetite in Scotland as a whole to go through all the divides that a referendum creates.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

You don't know all the reasons that people voted the SNP in though.Yes they are a nationalist party but the last Scottish referendum told us that Scotland wanted to stay in the UK.It seems that nationalism is'nt the sole reason the SNP are doing so well but maybe disillusionment with the Westminster old boys.There may not be appetite in Scotland as a whole to go through all the divides that a referendum creates.

Yes it helps to have politicians who people respect up here and who dont tell lies and who dont have their noses in the trough

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes it helps to have politicians who people respect up here and who dont tell lies and who dont have their noses in the trough

Scotland and you Scots are in the same position we 'poor' Northerners have been in for centuries.

London is a Foreign Country to us.

[Niamh.]

LT would you want out of the UK?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

LT would you want out of the UK?

Yes, having a country like England which is 10x bigger than the next in the union and having the government in London is not ideal and rest assured if Scotland was England and England was Scotland, English folks would be feeling the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, having a country like England which is 10x bigger than the next in the union and having the government in London is not ideal and rest assured if Scotland was England and England was Scotland, English folks would be feeling the same

Yeah I can imagine especially listening to alot of the pro brexit comments actually, it was a similar thing, not wanting to be told what to do by Europe

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I can imagine especially listening to alot of the pro brexit comments actually, it was a similar thing, not wanting to be told what to do by Europe

They do have their own government.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

They do have their own government.

Does who have their own government?

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets keep voting until we get the result i want. That's Scotland's idea of democracy.

[Niamh.]

Sorry I misread your post Jaxie. You mean Scotland have their own government? that makes it even more similar to Britain and Europe, doesn't it? Britain have their own government but felt that the EU were dictating to them too much

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I misread your post Jaxie. You mean Scotland have their own government? that makes it even more similar to Britain and Europe, doesn't it? Britain have their own government but felt that the EU were dictating to them too much

and you can bet your last euro that if the tables were turned and Scotland was where England is the English would be after independence!

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/second-s...ins-1610135362


This explains it here

[Crimson Dynamo]

As i have said, this is a negotiation tactic first and foremost with brexit in mind