[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I wouldn't be sending other peoples kids to foreign lands to be killed for nothing if that's what you mean.

So Spain sends troops into Gibralter then what d'ya do?

'Si senor it's all yours'

Argentina sends troops into the Falklands?

'Si senor it's all yours'

You know the main job role of a PM is to defend their people right?

[Scarlett.]

Jesus, we've triggered Article 50 a few days ago, and already there's people talking about war with Spain. This country is delusional.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Jesus, we've triggered Article 50 a few days ago, and already there's people talking about war with Spain. This country is delusional.

Spain shouldn't get too big for their botas then.They're just using Brexit as an excuse to gain some extra territory.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Spain shouldn't get too big for their botas then.They're just using Brexit as an excuse to gain some extra territory.

An Armed conflict with Spain is just stupidity, neither side can declare war, since, NATO Article 5 is a thing.

The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.

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It's just politicians blustering, trying to make themselves out to be 'Defenders of the Realm'. This wont be the another Falklands.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

An Armed conflict with Spain is just stupidity, neither side can declare war, since, NATO Article 5 is a thing.



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It's just politicians blustering, trying to make themselves out to be 'Defenders of the Realm'. This wont be the another Falklands.

Once we've brexitted we won't stay part of NATO... imo

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Once we've brexitted we won't stay part of NATO... imo

Course we will.We're committed.We're already sending troops to the eastern border to defend against Russian aggression.This is crazy talk.No way NATO breaks up while Putin's flexing his muscles.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Chewy

An Armed conflict with Spain is just stupidity, neither side can declare war, since, NATO Article 5 is a thing.



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It's just politicians blustering, trying to make themselves out to be 'Defenders of the Realm'. This wont be the another Falklands.

And if Spain sent troops into Gibralter then it would be them who is declaring war.Trying to annex a British territory.So you think nato would come to our aid?I doubt it.I think they'd let us sort it out.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

And if Spain sent troops into Gibralter then it would be them who is declaring war.Trying to annex a British territory.So you think nato would come to our aid?I doubt it.I think they'd let us sort it out.

I doubt Spain would be that stupid, other countries may keep out of the conflict, but Spain would most likely be ejected from NATO, and even face some trade embargoes. The idea of a modern day conflict in Europe is just... silly. Especially when Russia have been making the moves they have.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Spain shouldn't get too big for their botas then.They're just using Brexit as an excuse to gain some extra territory.

Gibraltar is another issue that wasn't raised during the referendum campaign, yet we know that Spain has been trying to get hold of it for years. The best course of action here is probably to say little, hold our nerve and wait. No need to liken it to the Falklands, no need to talk of war; it's a negotiating ploy, that's all.

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe we tell spain they can have Gibralter and we take Ibiza.Fair swap

[Kizzy]

It gets funnier... now it's Europes fault that May didn't mention Gibraltar in the brexit letter


'The Prime Minister and her Brexit minister David Davis were reportedly tricked into excluding the Rock from the Article 50 letter, which was personally handed to European Council president Donald Tusk on Wednesday.

Gibraltar officials claim Spanish ministers managed to persuade the Department for Exiting the European Union (Dexeu) to omit any mention of the overseas territory - despite lobbying by Gibraltar for inclusion in the wording.'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...icle-50-letter

[Scarlett.]

Not staying part of NATO is even stupider than Brexit, which is, pretty damn stupid itself.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Not staying part of NATO is even stupider than Brexit, which is, pretty damn stupid itself.

Oh we have Trump and China now, we don't need Europe.

[DemolitionRed]

The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

Not an unelected Parliament. An accident of birth carries no real weight and certainly no greater knowledge.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The Truth

You know what concerns me... this ridiculous version of patriotism gone mad.

The referendum wasn’t a Labour v Conservative issue. The votes did not split down party lines. Some strong Labour areas voted to remain and some strong Labour areas voted to leave and since the vote, the Labour party leadership has remained quiet on the matter, leaving the Conservatives to argue it out between them.

Since the vote to leave, the press have completely abdicated responsibility for keeping people informed and the Labour party declines to put any weight behind Leave or Remain. All we’ve been left with is the leave campaigners jumping off the boat taking their promises of more sovereignty with them.

I made my decision but whilst I want them to push Brexit, I’m not daft enough to believe the will of 17 million leave voters are representatives of our 65 million population. It dismays me that our Parliament have become so disempowered with this ‘cast in stone’ Referendum that they can no longer consider, compromise or amend ore review critical issues.

It doesn’t take much up top to understand we no longer have a representative Parliamentary democracy. We can’t have a ‘will of the people’ without the will of Parliament.

Excellent post this in my view.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excellent post this in my view.

Thanks Joey, though I'm sure others disagree.

[Livia]

Gibralter is nothing like the Falklands... unless Spain invades that British territory, and I can't see that happening. If Spain don't want to trade with us, fine. They depend on British tourism and trade far more than we depend on the Spanish.

[Northern Monkey]

Boycott Spain.Everyone go to Greece and boost their economy

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Boycott Spain.Everyone go to Greece and boost their economy

I agree. I can live without a glass of Rioja every now and then.

[user104658]

"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently . Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently . Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

It's an ignorant sentiment that will lead us to ruin. Brexit will make us more vulnerable and reliant on others countries than we have ever been. We can't have that attitude when we're hashing out deals that will decide the course of the UK's future.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"They need us more than we need them!"... The catch-all answer to any and every Brexit / Scottish Indy issue, apparently . Apparently Britain doesn't need anyone at all! Oh except maybe the US. And Saudi.

Also the Scottish Nat view isn't it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Also the Scottish Nat view isn't it

No