[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about demographics, I can't see any negative remarks from Withano regarding older women. I can't really see anything wrong with the thread. The only insults towards other members I've had to deal with in this thread are from people who have insulted the OP.

The only "insults" I've seen towards older women are references to being "cat ladies" or "Facebook moms" and, because IT IS objective, they really aren't insults imo. It's not like people are going around the forum going "ugh I bet all the old ****s are voting for [insert housemate] for [insert reason]" - THAT is being rude and insulting.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

The only "insults" I've seen towards older women are references to being "cat ladies" or "Facebook moms" and, because IT IS objective, they really aren't insults imo. It's not like people are going around the forum going "ugh I bet all the old ****s are voting for [insert housemate] for [insert reason]" - THAT is being rude and insulting.

They really are. Maybe you don't find it insulting because it wasn't directed at you

I can't remember what thread it was but I myself was referred to a cat lady on Tibb, and it was posted as an insult after a disagreement with the person in question. There's nothing wrong with speaking about demographics at all - as long as it's not insulting. Using phrases like the one mentioned is rude and uncalled for. If I created a thread asking "Who will the "young gays' vote go to?" people would be all over the report button quicker than flies to a dog turd.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

They really are. Maybe you don't find it insulting because it wasn't directed at you

I can't remember what thread it was but I myself was referred to a cat lady on Tibb, and it was posted as an insult after a disagreement with the person in question. There's nothing wrong with speaking about demographics at all - as long as it's not insulting. Using phrases like the one mentioned is rude and uncalled for. If I created a thread asking "Who will the "young gays' vote go to?" people would be all over the report button quicker than flies to a dog turd.

I too have been called a cat lady as an insult ,even though a certain member ( I cannot think who it was ) lied and said it was taken from Facebook

Dead right, this place would be up in arms calling us homophobic

You cannot have it both ways ,either everything goes or respect is shown to all

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I too have been called a cat lady as an insult ,even though a certain member ( I cannot think who it was ) lied and said it was taken from Facebook

Dead right, this place would be up in arms calling us homophobic

You cannot have it both ways ,either everything goes or respect is shown to all

Exactly.

The same member insulted You, Kaz and I at the same time within the same post. I know who it is and haven't forgotten.

[Underscore]

I mean you've just got to look at the demographics, it's fact.

Older people way more likely to vote conservative than younger people who mainly (rightly or wrongly) vote Labour

Older people way more likely to be socially conservative than younger people who mainly are socially liberal.

It's just generational gaps, and they use that in politics to predict how people are going to vote. If you apply the social conservatism figure to this, you'd end up with Deborah seen as she's the more held back one.

[bots]

With respect, its not for younger folks to say whether older people are offended by the comments or descriptions or not. If people take offence to it, they should be more thoughtful on how they express themselves

[Paula D]

My mistake, I forgot 13 year olds posted on here. The very reason I won't be back after this series.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

My mistake, I forgot 13 year olds posted on here. The very reason I won't be back after this series.

Not actual ageism

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not actual ageism

welp

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not actual ageism

I'll take that and any infraction that goes with it. I'll be glad to be banned if someone learns some respect from it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Paula D

My mistake, I forgot 13 year olds posted on here. The very reason I won't be back after this series.

Another poster lost,will Tibb EVER learn.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Another poster lost,will Tibb EVER learn.

Most older members can co-exist with younger members, everyone is equal and if some can't cope with that then it's best they move on IMO

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Most older members can co-exist with younger members, everyone is equal and if some can't cope with that then it's best they move on IMO

This forum is not here for only young, black or gay people ,its here for ALL members, time this was remembered

[Vicky.]

I would disagree with that tbh Dezzy. I do not understand the obsession with 'older women' on here. The 'cat ladies' are blamed for Kieran surviving evictions for example. Older people just get insulted for not voting the way the forum wants. If Tom wins ( which is unlikely) the forum will explode with 'ahh the catladies voted him as he is hot and they are desperate to see a good looking guy' and so on. I really do not see the need for it. As others have said, it would be unacceptable to make a thread asking, for example, what the hive mind of the LGBT community would do...so why is it ok for this? Its just ridiculous and it has been mentioned so many times yet people continue with the 'cat ladies' 'facebook hags' and so on.

Now I don't think Withano made this thread specifically to be insulting...but it was obvious it would end up this way and I think it really needs nipped in the bud as this is constant in threads. I am not even 'middle aged' (I do own a cat though ) and I find it really insulting to be quite honest. We have tried all series to stop people stereotyping and such, but it seems to be acceptable to insult older ladies, and I don't think thats right at all.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would disagree with that tbh Dezzy. I do not understand the obsession with 'older women' on here. The 'cat ladies' are blamed for Kieran surviving evictions for example. Older people just get insulted for not voting the way the forum wants. If Tom wins ( which is unlikely) the forum will explode with 'ahh the catladies voted him as he is hot and they are desperate to see a good looking guy' and so on. I really do not see the need for it. As others have said, it would be unacceptable to make a thread asking, for example, what the hive mind of the LGBT community would do...so why is it ok for this? Its just ridiculous and it has been mentioned so many times yet people continue with the 'cat ladies' 'facebook hags' and so on.

Now I don't think Withano made this thread specifically to be insulting...but it was obvious it would end up this way and I think it really needs nipped in the bud as this is constant in threads. I am not even 'middle aged' (I do own a cat though ) and I find it really insulting to be quite honest. We have tried all series to stop people stereotyping and such, but it seems to be acceptable to insult older ladies, and I don't think thats right at all.

This constantly happens on TiBB, but the issues should be adressed somewhere else, not in this harmless thread. The point of this thread is to speculate who a certain demographic will vote for, not to bash them for it (which no one has done)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Isn't this the sole reason a thread like this should be acceptable though? I didn't foresee the backlash, because what you said here is pretty much a fact. And the 'obsession with older women' (for me anyway) is just trying to piece together the fuller picture.
Males and lgbt+ are drastically overrepresented on tibb, but this same demographic would be underrepresented in other areas such as fb or ds. I completely understand why cat ladies should be banned, but we cant pretend an entire demographic doesnt exist. I'm interested in their voice, and I dont think I know what that voice is saying hence the thread.

I do apologise to those offended though.

Originally Posted by Brenda.

This constantly happens on TiBB, but the issues should be adressed somewhere else, not in this harmless thread. The point of this thread is to speculate who a certain demographic will vote for, not to bash them for it (which no one has done)

OK

Could be Debs cos she's more relateable
Could be Tom cos he's technically good looking
Could be Raph cos he's the nice guy
Could be Issy cos surely they like good TV sometimes

Do you not see how this is insulting? Also the assumption that the 'cat ladies' will vote for goodlooking males and so on. I get that y'all don;t think its a problem but it really is. There is no need to insult a whole demographic with sly comments like this

The LGBT example would only work if someone used it to draw negative connotations about that demographic. I don't find talking about demographics to be that problematic otherwise.

But this is exactly whats happening with the 'older vote'. I can try to draw parallels to show what I mean...but this may come across as insulting. I do not actually think this, I am simply using it as an example...basically

Would the gay community vote for Raph as the want his cock? (Cant see beyond their lust...implied)
Or Deborah as she would be a decent straight best friend?
Maybe Tom as he is hot and they don't have a mind of their own beyond seeing someone is goodlooking? They are all just thirsty.
Or possibly Isabelle as surely they like good TV sometimes. )Usually they just like crap and people they can oggle. Surely at times they actually like other things..implied)

See how this looks when its about LGBT people?

I genuinely do not see why it is fine to insult a whole demographic of people, make out they have some kind of hive mind and (usually) make out they will only vote as they fancy someone, or vote out girls as they are jealous.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK



Do you not see how this is insulting? Also the assumption that the 'cat ladies' will vote for goodlooking males and so on. I get that y'all don;t think its a problem but it really is. There is no need to insult a whole demographic with sly comments like this


But this is exactly whats happening with the 'older vote'. I can try to draw parallels to show what I mean...but this may come across as insulting. I do not actually think this, I am simply using it as an example...basically

Would the gay community vote for Raph as the want his cock? (Cant see beyond their lust...implied)
Or Deborah as she would be a decent straight best friend?
Maybe Tom as he is hot and they don't have a mind of their own beyond seeing someone is goodlooking? They are all just thirsty.
Or possibly Isabelle as surely they like good TV sometimes. )Usually they just like crap and people they can oggle. Surely at times they actually like other things..implied)

See how this looks when its about LGBT people?

I genuinely do not see why it is fine to insult a whole demographic of people, make out they have some kind of hive mind and (usually) make out they will only vote as they fancy someone, or vote out girls as they are jealous.

The voice of reason

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The voice of reason

Hear hear.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK



Do you not see how this is insulting? Also the assumption that the 'cat ladies' will vote for goodlooking males and so on. I get that y'all don;t think its a problem but it really is. There is no need to insult a whole demographic with sly comments like this


But this is exactly whats happening with the 'older vote'. I can try to draw parallels to show what I mean...but this may come across as insulting. I do not actually think this, I am simply using it as an example...basically

Would the gay community vote for Raph as the want his cock? (Cant see beyond their lust...implied)
Or Deborah as she would be a decent straight best friend?
Maybe Tom as he is hot and they don't have a mind of their own beyond seeing someone is goodlooking? They are all just thirsty.
Or possibly Isabelle as surely they like good TV sometimes. )Usually they just like crap and people they can oggle. Surely at times they actually like other things..implied)

See how this looks when its about LGBT people?

I genuinely do not see why it is fine to insult a whole demographic of people, make out they have some kind of hive mind and (usually) make out they will only vote as they fancy someone, or vote out girls as they are jealous.

Voting on attraction is certainly not exclusive to older women, and I would never suggest that. People read between the lines there. I can probably list ten examples off the top of my head where people of all ages and genders have decided their fave based on attraction.
me saying 'surely they like good tv sometimes' was more a statement on my personal preference, cos I couldnt think of a better way to fill the blank. I decided on making a joke out of myself.
I personally think people came in to the thread and read the OP in one of two tones of voices, I dont know how to resolve that. Emojis look bitchy 9 times out of 10 to me!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Voting on attraction is certainly not exclusive to older women, and I would never suggest that. People read between the lines there. I can probably list ten examples off the top of my head where people of all ages and genders have decided their fave based on attraction.
me saying 'surely they like good tv sometimes' was more a statement on my personal preference, cos I couldnt think of a better way to fill the blank. I decided on making a joke out of myself.
I personally think people came in to the thread and read the OP in one of two tones of voices, I dont know how to resolve that. Emojis look bitchy 9 times out of 10 to me!

You and I both know you opened this silly thread to get a reaction,its clear baiting, thats why I wasn't going to comment on it, but reading the rude comments I decided to ,if it wasn't the last night I would open a thread (also aimed at baiting ) asking who the gays,blacks,straights were going to vote for, You already got warned earlier in the series about the childish "cat ladies" and that was dropped a little ,so your next insult came in the form of "older women" so transparent and boring ..Time to grow up my dear

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would disagree with that tbh Dezzy. I do not understand the obsession with 'older women' on here. The 'cat ladies' are blamed for Kieran surviving evictions for example. Older people just get insulted for not voting the way the forum wants. If Tom wins ( which is unlikely) the forum will explode with 'ahh the catladies voted him as he is hot and they are desperate to see a good looking guy' and so on. I really do not see the need for it. As others have said, it would be unacceptable to make a thread asking, for example, what the hive mind of the LGBT community would do...so why is it ok for this? Its just ridiculous and it has been mentioned so many times yet people continue with the 'cat ladies' 'facebook hags' and so on.

Now I don't think Withano made this thread specifically to be insulting...but it was obvious it would end up this way and I think it really needs nipped in the bud as this is constant in threads. I am not even 'middle aged' (I do own a cat though ) and I find it really insulting to be quite honest. We have tried all series to stop people stereotyping and such, but it seems to be acceptable to insult older ladies, and I don't think thats right at all.

The LGBT example would only work if someone used it to draw negative connotations about that demographic. I don't find talking about demographics to be that problematic otherwise.

As for the 'Cat Lady' comments, I believe if they are targeted at members then they should be infracted but it's silly to have a blanket ban on the phrase when our hands are pretty much tied when it comes to racist views for example.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The LGBT example would only work if someone used it to draw negative connotations about that demographic. I don't find talking about demographics to be that problematic otherwise.

As for the 'Cat Lady' comments, I believe if they are targeted at members then they should be infracted but it's silly to have a blanket ban on the phrase pretty much when our hands are pretty much tied when it comes to racist views for example.

How do you mean your hands are tied when it comes to racist views?

[Nancy.]

I think Vicky deserves a standing ovation.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would disagree with that tbh Dezzy. I do not understand the obsession with 'older women' on here. The 'cat ladies' are blamed for Kieran surviving evictions for example. Older people just get insulted for not voting the way the forum wants. If Tom wins ( which is unlikely) the forum will explode with 'ahh the catladies voted him as he is hot and they are desperate to see a good looking guy' and so on. I really do not see the need for it. As others have said, it would be unacceptable to make a thread asking, for example, what the hive mind of the LGBT community would do...so why is it ok for this? Its just ridiculous and it has been mentioned so many times yet people continue with the 'cat ladies' 'facebook hags' and so on.

Now I don't think Withano made this thread specifically to be insulting...but it was obvious it would end up this way and I think it really needs nipped in the bud as this is constant in threads. I am not even 'middle aged' (I do own a cat though ) and I find it really insulting to be quite honest. We have tried all series to stop people stereotyping and such, but it seems to be acceptable to insult older ladies, and I don't think thats right at all.

applauds, I saw Dezzy himself mention that Kieran and Tom would go last night due to the "thirsty" vote even though there is a thread bumped regularly by mainly you Vicky about attacking fans, if moderators can't heed their own rules then there is no hope for anyone else...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

applauds, I saw Dezzy himself mention that Kieran and Tom would go last night due to the "thirsty" vote even though there is a thread bumped regularly by mainly you Vicky about attacking fans, if moderators can't heed their own rules then there is no hope for anyone else...

Hmm? Which fans am I 'attacking?' I certainly didn't mention anything about women or fans of certain housemates.

It's pretty much a fact that the fanbase as a whole has been known to favour people on their looks. Look at most Launch nights when a good looking man will get cheers regardless of the contents of their VT, while on the flipside look at HMs like Sue who were booed before we knew anything about her except that she was a black woman.

Can you recall the first highlights show when Tom had to do that facebook chat and most of the responses were among the lines of 'you iz well fit xx'?

It's not attacking anyone to state the fact that some people will vote for HMS that are good looking. It's a proven fact if you look at the results over the years.