[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He’s not taking the sympathising with rapists route he’s taking the innocent until proven guilty route which is perfectly legit.Nobody knows if Weinstein raped anybody yet.It’s just accusations.They could be false for his cash or he could be rapist.We dont know.
Also why would you want to ban someone for having an alternative opinion?This is’nt a Berkeley University SJW safe space.Just tell him why you think he’s wrong.

They could be untrue but a lot of the women coming forward with stories about him are rich and successful actresses like Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow, so I find it hard to believe they're doing it for the money. If anything they risk facing criticism for not coming forward sooner.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

They could be untrue but a lot of the women coming forward with stories about him are rich and successful actresses like Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow, so I find it hard to believe they're doing it for the money. If anything they risk facing criticism for not coming forward sooner.

My opinion is that many actresses will have slept with him,sucked him off and let him sniff coke off their arses over the years and many Possibly wouldn’t be where they are today if they hadn’t.
It’s likely half of Hollywood did this over the years.Marilyn Monroe was apparently well known for it.
However i think power and greed probably corrupted him and he wasn’t used to being told no.When he was told no he got angry about it and he pushed it too far and did bad things he thought he could get away with or he knocked the ‘unwilling’ones back for roles.He Possibly pissed off alot of ‘unwilling’ actresses by refusing them their big break and now everyone’s coming out to trample him so they don’t look like they condone it.There’s pictures of actresses draped all over him so many were willing.
I think it’s more than likely he will be guilty of a good few cases of inappropriate behaviour or assault.
Still,Nothing’s proven yet.
Sticking with the innocent until proven guilty view is a perfectly legitimate one and doesn’t make someone a rapist sympathiser.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He’s not taking the sympathising with rapists route he’s taking the innocent until proven guilty route which is perfectly legit.Nobody knows if Weinstein raped anybody yet.It’s just accusations.They could be false for his cash or he could be rapist.We dont know.
Also why would you want to ban someone for having an alternative opinion?This is’nt a Berkeley University SJW safe space.Just tell him why you think he’s wrong.

He's not simply said innocent until proven guilty though?

Read his full posts. Misogyny and victim blaming as per.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He's not simply said innocent until proven guilty though?

Read his full posts. Misogyny and victim blaming as per.

He’s not victim blaming in the post you quoted he’s saying he doesn’t know if there are any actual victims because nothing’s been proven yet.

[Niamh.]

Poor him, what a victim he is of evil women

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Poor him, what a victim he is of evil women

Nice heartless fake sentiment. I do pity the thousands of men falsely accused by lying women across the western world> and he false accusers are never brought to task, always get away with it and even remain annoymous. The list of false accusers is in the massive majority. Take poor old jimmy tarbuck or cliff richard to name but a few , he and his family went through hell and back for years based on a pack of lies from money grabbing women who remained anonymous. They even accused him of something in bbc in top of the pops 1963 in london when top of the pops was in manchester at the time? money grabbing liars.

what about all the 10000s of women who tear male pop stars clothes off for the past 50 years? should we retrospectively burn them all at the stake too?

[Niamh.]

mmhmm

[Vicky.]

Have I missed a news link or something? Thought this was a random debate but it seems theres a lot more to this and its a current story?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Have I missed a news link or something? Thought this was a random debate but it seems theres a lot more to this and its a current story?

I assume the inspiration for the thread came from this news story here, that's literally everywhere right now Vicky
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/...einstein-fired

[Vicky.]

I see. I don't really watch TV or anything

OK from that, I wouldn't say it was sexual harassment if these women chose to sleep with him to further their careers. Sounds a bit of a sleaze though.

And yes, I probably would still do it, if its what I wanted and I was single and stuff. Still see it as like half an hour (probably less) for the rest of your life

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I see. I don't really watch TV or anything

OK from that, I wouldn't say it was sexual harassment if these women chose to sleep with him to further their careers. Sounds a bit of a sleaze though.

And yes, I probably would still do it, if its what I wanted and I was single and stuff. Still see it as like half an hour (probably less) for the rest of your life

That makes it ok to do though. It's basically saying to young actresses if you don't sleep with him the next girl will so basically if you don't do it wave good bye to a career type thing

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That makes it ok to do though. It's basically saying to young actresses if you don't sleep with him the next girl will so basically if you don't do it wave good bye to a career type thing

Sleazy sure, I wouldn't say sexual harassment, which seems to be the complaint?

Its a fine line though, and certainly morally dubious

Also choosing not to sleep with this sleaze doesn't necessarily mean your career is over. Just you will have to try and get employed off someone else, who does not employ people based on sex. Want a fast track pass into the industry though, he is your guy. Ugh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Sleazy sure, I wouldn't say sexual harassment, which seems to be the complaint?

Its a fine line though, and certainly morally dubious

Also choosing not to sleep with this sleaze doesn't necessarily mean your career is over. Just you will have to try and get employed off someone else, who does not employ people based on sex. Want a fast track pass into the industry though, he is your guy. Ugh.

Rosanna Arquette, who starred in Pulp Fiction, told The New Yorker she had been supposed to meet Weinstein for dinner at a Beverly Hills hotel to pick up a script, but on arrival was told to go to his suite. He answered the door wearing a white bathrobe and saying he needed a massage. She said he grabbed her hand and pulled it towards his penis which was “visible and erect … My heart was really racing. I was in a fight-or-flight mode”. She said she told him: “I will never do that”, and that he responded by telling hershe was making a huge mistake. She claims her career later suffered.

Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, a Filipina-Italian model, was 22 when she was invited to Weinstein’s office in the Tribeca neighbourhood of New York. He lunged at her, groping her breasts and attempting to put a hand up her skirt while she protested. She went straight to the police. The New Yorker published an audio tape recorded when she was equipped with a NYPD wire tap. In the recording, Weinstein begs her to join him in his hotel room. She refuses and asks him why he had groped her breast the day before. “Oh, please, I’m sorry, just come on in. I’m used to that. Come on. Please,” he says. “You are used to that?” Gutierrez asks. “Yes,” Weinstein replies, later adding: “I won’t do it again”. He also says: “Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...we-know-so-far

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Rosanna Arquette, who starred in Pulp Fiction, told The New Yorker she had been supposed to meet Weinstein for dinner at a Beverly Hills hotel to pick up a script, but on arrival was told to go to his suite. He answered the door wearing a white bathrobe and saying he needed a massage. She said he grabbed her hand and pulled it towards his penis which was “visible and erect … My heart was really racing. I was in a fight-or-flight mode”. She said she told him: “I will never do that”, and that he responded by telling hershe was making a huge mistake. She claims her career later suffered.

Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, a Filipina-Italian model, was 22 when she was invited to Weinstein’s office in the Tribeca neighbourhood of New York. He lunged at her, groping her breasts and attempting to put a hand up her skirt while she protested. She went straight to the police. The New Yorker published an audio tape recorded when she was equipped with a NYPD wire tap. In the recording, Weinstein begs her to join him in his hotel room. She refuses and asks him why he had groped her breast the day before. “Oh, please, I’m sorry, just come on in. I’m used to that. Come on. Please,” he says. “You are used to that?” Gutierrez asks. “Yes,” Weinstein replies, later adding: “I won’t do it again”. He also says: “Don’t ruin your friendship with me for five minutes.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...we-know-so-far

OK yeah, sexual harassment and much more to it than it seemed

Another case of reports to police being ignored too, I'm guessing?

[Vicky.]

Will read more into this now, genuinely thought it was a random thread until thetruth replied with the women blaming post.

But yeah, I understand more now. thought it was just a clear cut case of...sleep with me and you get the job.

[GiRTh]

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges

I'm sure that was just a coincidence

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure that was just a coincidence

Of course

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And we know Weinstein contributed money to the DA campaign

Harvey Weinstein's lawyer DONATED $10,000 to New York City District Attorney weeks after he decided not to prosecute him on sexual assault charges

Surprised he had any left after donating so much to hillary and obahma....probably hush money.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surprised he had any left after donating so much to hillary and obahma....probably hush money.

True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet.

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet.

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets

probably due to slander

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

probably due to slander

Nope.
Her Twitter was suspended because one of her screenshots contained a private phone number. Once the number was removed, her account was reopened.

[James]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

True and both of those were slow to condemn his behaviour. Everyone wants this kept quiet.

Now Rose Mcgowan's twitter account has been suspended. She says its due to her speaking out.

Rose McGowan suspended from Twitter after Ben Affleck tweets

A lot of the celebrities are only condemning the behaviour now because they don't want to be criticised themselves for staying silent.

A lot of it is about looking after their own interests.

Self interest is the motivating force in a lot of things, especially Hollywood.

[Littlegreen]

Initially I was going to say I'd suck 'em off but nothing more, however thinking about it I wouldn't be able to live knowing my work was a success purely because of my mouth and lack of self-respect.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Initially I was going to say I'd suck 'em off but nothing more, however thinking about it I wouldn't be able to live knowing my work was a success purely because of my mouth and lack of self-respect.

Or, even worse, the film you get is a major flop and ruins your reputation and you realise you sucked him off for nothing.