[Cal.]

A confusing tale!

[luvjustin]

India has a very simplistic view of what it is to be trans. There’s one way and it’s her way and if you’re not the same way then she does not want to be associated with you. Which is terrible. And damaging. She needs to open her mind.

And Courtney is whatever she says she is. Gender fluid, gender queer.. all valid choices that come under the LGBTQ banner. Bloody support each other!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

India has a very simplistic view of what it is to be trans. There’s one way and it’s her way and if you’re not the same way then she does not want to be associated with you. Which is terrible. And damaging. She needs to open her mind.

And Courtney is whatever she says she is. Gender fluid, gender queer.. all valid choices that come under the LGBTQ banner. Bloody support each other!

Agree with this to an extent. I actually think India's objection is very similar to the argument that "transwomen shouldn't be classed as women because they're not the same"... ironically but really being in the same 'category' as another type of person doesn't mean they should have to be thought of as the same. But because so many people do think that way I think that's what she's really objecting to, what other people's views of her might be because of the categorisation, which is understandable but just a little misguided imo, I don't think she really means anything bad by it though or that she has anything against drag queens. (I also think that over-categorisation is a problem and it's what causes most of these issues but that's the world we live in.)

[Vicky.]

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

I got a plum coloured jumper for Christmas and I expect when I get around to wearing it I will briefly fall under the LBGTQ umbrella?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The what now? Only idiots would think that.

Unfortunately its quite a common belief these days. And stonewall go along with the madness too.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I got a plum coloured jumper for Christmas and I expect when I get around to wearing it I will briefly fall under the LBGTQ umbrella?

Probably. Purple is not a masculine colour, so thats one stereotype you aint following when wearing it, which puts you firmly under the ridiculous umbrella

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

India does have a point. The definition of trans is so ****ing wide near every person on earth comes under it Time to stop lumping transsexual people in with the likes of crossdressers and fetishists. It really does noone any good

Historically speaking, it's a very recent thing that we have had the medical capability to do the changes they now perform and even more recently that it has become "readily" available. Prior to that point anyone dressed up in drag was pretty much defined as a transsexual. So descriptive terms are being changed and reapplied as we go.

I just think there is way too much effort being spent in categorising things that just don't need to be categorised. Everyone is an individual, so if we take it to the logical conclusion, everyone deserves their own category, which is just plain silly.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I just think there is way too much effort being spent in categorising things that just don't need to be categorised. Everyone is an individual, so if we take it to the logical conclusion, everyone deserves their own category, which is just plain silly.

Well yes, every damn thing needs a label these days apparently. Its a bit silly.

[Vicky.]

Ahaha he does look quite like Noel in that pic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wait, its not Noel?

I thought it was to do with his annual Christmas hospital shows

[Crimson Dynamo]

It literally is the same person

[Alf]

I thought it was Keith Lemon!

[Niamh.]

I've changed it now you horrible people Eddie

[Crimson Dynamo]

funny how Eddie is seen here wit Mr Blobby at a Pearl Jam concert in Watergrasshill, who was very much associated with Edmunds

Spoiler:

[Crimson Dynamo]

well I never knew Noel was in a pop group

are there any more strings to his illustrious bow?

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Adam.

India has said she hates the fact drag queens are seen as trans people which seems to set up a showdown when Courtney enters

who the f..k is Courtney

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

who the f..k is Courtney

one of the male HMs coming in on Friday, he's a drag queen and Courtney is his drag queen name (is what I've gathered as i don't watch Drag race)

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

one of the male HMs coming in on Friday, he's a drag queen and Courtney is his drag queen name (is what I've gathered as i don't watch Drag race)

Thank God, at last, someone normal!!

A good old fashioned drag queen, who dresses as a woman for entertainment, but doesnt think just because he wears a frock, that he is one!

#senseatlast

[Tom4784]

I agree with India in some regards, I don't think a transgender person should get the.....'benefits' (doesn't feel like the right word to use) of the sex they want to be unless they transition but at the same time I don't really agree with her dismissal of other transgender people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

No laws (I mean I don't know but I'd be very surprised!), it's just about being respectful

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But is there a specific law that says that you must call India a woman now?

(being serious here) or is it just a courtesy?

It’s just called being a decent human ****ing being, really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jake.

It’s just called being a decent human ****ing being, really.

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

Dunno but it doesn’t make me a transphobe so I’m content with whatever it makes me

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well you were calling for a member to be outright banned for having a difference of opinion a minute ago and we have mods and a process for that so what does that make you?

NOT you comparing someone being transphobic to Jake wanting someone banned from a forum