[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just because the goverments or media dont or wont address the glaringly obvious fact about missing women and kids it doesnt mean i will.


So all i can go by is the testements from women and kids who are living in these areas that people are fleeing...lots are describing rape, torture and mutilation.....so for me a coward would leave their family behind to face this...hence they should **** off home and help, instead of running away...

Misleading pictures and opinion pieces rarely reflect the truth of the matter. It's just meant to bait people with horrific confirmation bias to read the article.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Misleading pictures and opinion pieces rarely reflect the truth of the matter. It's just meant to bait people with horrific confirmation bias to read the article.

Why do you always resort back to the dead child on the beach?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A derogatory comment based on nothing but prejudice tbh.

You know it's bad when people are starting to demonise immigrants who are fleeing for their lives....

Most aren’t though are they - more dramatics. Most are economic migrants NOT ‘refugees fleeing for their lives’. Can you not distinguish between the two! In fact the former are responsible for the latter getting such a negative welcome, by abusing the refugee crisis to their own ends.

It is also fact that parts of Germany and Sweden, for example, occupied by immigrants are pretty much no-go areas now even for the police. The gratitude hey!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Most aren’t though are they - more dramatics. Most are economic migrants NOT ‘refugees fleeing for their lives’. Can you not distinguish between the two! In fact the former are responsible for the latter getting such a negative welcome, by abusing the refugee crisis to their own ends.

It is also fact that parts of Germany and Sweden, for example, occupied by immigrants are pretty much no-go areas now even for the police. The gratitude hey!

How do you know this?...

Which parts?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do you know this?...

Which parts?

Most are not coming from war-torn countries such as Syria for a start. Are you seriously trying to say you think all or the majority are!

[chuff me dizzy]

IF they were fleeing for their lives ,they would stay in the 1st safe country they land in, instead of laying on lorry axels to get to the land of milk, honey and giros .... The UK

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

****ing hell. Nasty nasty nasty.

have you noticed, how of all topics it's usually immigration where some people behave appallingly and use appalling language? and resist discussing it calmly and reasonably?
hatred of immigrants and immigration is so deep in some, discussing it in a civilised manner is simply too much, they can't help getting hysterical

[Twosugars]

no prizes for predicting this thread is not long for this world

[Crimson Dynamo]

can people who are not agreeing with the article discuss the article and not people who agree with the sentiment ?

lets keep to the debate

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you have a spare bed will you offer it to them, pay for private health care, feed,clothe and keep them ?

Another oft-relied on piece of extremist nonsense; "If you don't want immigrants IN YOUR BED then you shouldn't want them in your country ".

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can people who are not agreeing with the article discuss the article and not people who agree with the sentiment ?

lets keep to the debate

That is the article / debate, as I'm sure you're well aware .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Another oft-relied on piece of extremist nonsense; "If you don't want immigrants IN YOUR BED then you shouldn't want them in your country ".



That is the article / debate, as I'm sure you're well aware .

dont you start TS you started the whole debacle with a post full of made up supposition



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There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

(says you but who are are you actually talking about? - all you was lump one side of the argument into one and then slag off that side for doing the same thing)



You don't have to be vicious about it.

(Again who is, who are you actually talking about and how does it relate to the article?)


The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary.

(again, nothing about the article and no mention where this hails from)


No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

(you have no idea at all if that would be true and it would be impossible to try and attempt to equte)




We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".


Once again you are not addressing the article but some sort of fictitious UKIP fringe meeting in your head



One big strawman after another TS. Poor show

[user104658]

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

(says you but who are are you actually talking about? - all you was lump one side of the argument into one and then slag off that side for doing the same thing)

Whoever decided to headline the article "Liberals Have Lost The Argument", which you then used as your thread title. For liberals to have "lost the argument", it must then be being assumed that the "liberal argument" is that "free-for-all immigration is OK". Which is a fundamental misunderstanding. Clearer?



You don't have to be vicious about it.

(Again who is, who are you actually talking about and how does it relate to the article?)

Plenty of people on this thread. Even more people on this forum since the beginning of the "migrant crisis" (the viciousness on this thread is not surprising or unexpected, put it that way).


The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary.

(again, nothing about the article and no mention where this hails from)

See above. But also the thinly-veiled use of "liberals" as a slur in the article. The author may as well have written "libtards".


No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

(you have no idea at all if that would be true and it would be impossible to try and attempt to equte)

If someone's life was at immediate risk (whether directly or indirectly through extreme poverty) in the UK and they WOULDN'T try to make it to another country, then that person is an idiot. Maybe I'm overestimating people by thinking they would? Maybe they really would just sit here in the dust saying "Well they don't want too many migrants so guess I'll just die.".

Though I apologise if I've overestimated people's intelligence and survival instinct on that one .




We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".


Once again you are not addressing the article but some sort of fictitious UKIP fringe meeting in your head

Again, we've all been on here for years and I'm going to consider any attempt to suggest that the above doesn't happen frequently on here - including in this thread where immigrants have been dehumanised to the point of being universally branded as rapists - to be a bare-faced lie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again, we've all been on here for years and I'm going to consider any attempt to suggest that the above doesn't happen frequently on here - including in this thread where immigrants have been dehumanised to the point of being universally branded as rapists - to be a bare-faced lie.[/QUOTE]

then address individual members and dont try and tar everyone with the same brush because it comes across as VS

and this article hangs that position out to dry rather well

[Twosugars]

the funny thing is I'd imagine everybody is against mass migration, but it's the tone in which it is discussed that is sometimes so shocking that it simply cannot be tolerated

[Niamh.]

I'm going to delete some posts in here, lets drop the Dezzy discussion now please

[Nicky91]

sure Niamh

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess at least no one yet has denied that the article is spot on

that, at least, is progress

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I guess at least no one yet has denied that the article is spot on

that, at least, is progress

No one on here, "Liberal" or otherwise, has (ever) said that open-door immigration is a good idea. That's probably why.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one on here, "Liberal" or otherwise, has (ever) said that open-door immigration is a good idea. That's probably why.

If they vote for Corbyn they effectively do coz that is what we’ll get...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If they vote for Corbyn they effectively do coz that is what we’ll get...

Yes it is,God forbid he ever gets into Downing Street

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Yes it is,God forbid he ever gets into Downing Street

There is more chance of a wooden rocking horse winning The Cheltenham Gold Cup with 5 tonnes of coal on its back.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If they vote for Corbyn they effectively do coz that is what we’ll get...

It isn't though. Labour have a different immigration policy to the Conservatives but they certainly don't have an "open door" policy... That's just sensationalist nonsense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If they vote for Corbyn they effectively do coz that is what we’ll get...

You are sounding more and more like a daily Mail headline generator... Give it a rest!

[smudgie]

Speed up the return home for economic migrants.
Speed up the welcome for genuine refugees.

How hard can it be to sort out

[Kizzy]

Yes there was an incident... there have been incidents here.
What does it prove?

I'm still awaiting an answer to how brillo knows the majority of migrants are economic.