[Marsh.]

I really don't care. There are rules and laws. If he was causing a nuisance, just like anyone else he should've been removed.

[Livia]

Let's not hold up a whole plane full of people, plus cost the airline money by missing their take off slot and cause a knock-on delay as air traffic control tries to reorganise them, then have him taken off by Spanish police and thrown in the pokey... because some silly old sod called a black woman a black woman. I mean, he said "don't talk to me in a foreign language!" He was a British man returning from Spain. Most people he met would have been talking in a foreign language. The man is obviously an idiot and shamed himself, plenty of people berated him for it. And so they should. But let's keep a little perspective.

I'm sure some compensation will help this woman get over it.

[Marsh.]

Well he was causing a nuisance and harassing another passenger. That's usually enough cause to have you removed from a flight.

People have been removed for less.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The guy could have the early staged of dementia, it can affect people that way with rages etc

as i have said before, he came across as someone who was not the full shilling

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The guy could have the early staged of dementia, it can affect people that way with rages etc

as i have said before, he came across as someone who was not the full shilling

Sure
but how can we find out
he is not going public.


https://www.rt.com/uk/441856-passeng...rynair-flight/
video of the Plane fight on this link, any that want to see it in full

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
but how can we find out
he is not going public.


https://www.rt.com/uk/441856-passeng...rynair-flight/
video of the Plane fight on this link, any that want to see it in full

he lives in sheltered accomodation and by the looks of him id say its unlikely

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The guy could have the early staged of dementia, it can affect people that way with rages etc

as i have said before, he came across as someone who was not the full shilling

Or he could just be an ignorant, racist pig.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Or he could just be an ignorant, racist pig.

Oh no couldn't be that, must be dementia

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Or he could just be an ignorant, racist pig.

precisely we dont know

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

precisely we dont know

Yeah we don't know if he was a racist...........after watching a video of him being a racist oh LT you crack me up

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah we don't know if he was a racist...........after watching a video of him being a racist oh LT you crack me up

My best mate Jems mum got dementia and she turned into a nasty woman spitting venom at randoms and it was the disease. Read about what it can do to people. He reminded me of her in her early stages.


"Aggressive behaviors may be verbal or physical. They can occur suddenly, with no apparent reason, or result from a frustrating situation. While aggression can be hard to cope with, understanding that the person with Alzheimer's or dementia is not acting this way on purpose can help."

https://www.alz.org/help-support/car...gression-anger

[Livia]

Let's never give anyone the benefit of the doubt if it's a racist incident.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's never give anyone the benefit of the doubt if it's a racist incident.

There's literally a video of him being racist though?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's literally a video of him being racist though?

Yes there is, and he was racist, there's no doubt about that. He's a 77 year old living in sheltered accommodation. So there's no chance he might be a little, you know... tapped? Because to me, he sounds mental. Also the cabin crew have been criticised constantly when it would have been the Captain's decision whether a daft old bugger making a racist comment to another passenger was worth holding up everyone for hours.

I think about all the ways people suffer because of their race... and this incident is news all over the world. I hope the woman and her daughter get some compo to make the whole ridiculous circus worthwhile.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes there is, and he was racist, there's no doubt about that. He's a 77 year old living in sheltered accommodation. So there's no chance he might be a little, you know... tapped? Because to me, he sounds mental. Also the cabin crew have been criticised constantly when it would have been the Captain's decision whether a daft old bugger making a racist comment to another passenger was worth holding up everyone for hours.

I think about all the ways people suffer because of their race... and this incident is news all over the world. I hope the woman and her daughter get some compo to make the whole ridiculous circus worthwhile.

I mean It almost sounds like you're laying the sympathy out for the old racist and blaming the old lady who was racially abused for being a money grabber

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean It almost sounds like you're laying the sympathy out for the old racist and blaming the old lady who was racially abused for being a money grabber

I don't think he deserves sympathy for his actions - but there's no point in wasting hours of everyone's time because an old git said some words.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's never give anyone the benefit of the doubt if it's a racist incident.

Why should he have the benefit of the doubt? The victim in this incident is the elderly woman who was racially abused, not him.

[armand.kay]

Recently widowed elderly black woman is verbally and physically attacked by a racist: only 2 people stand up for her and the cabin crew panders to the attacker... well then... I wish I could say I'm shocked but I'm really not.

[LukeB]

This man is awful and a twat and ryanair handled this badly by moving her instead of him or not throwing him off the plane...other people have been chucked off the plane for arguing but not him? Wouldn’t surprise me if ryanair charged her for moving seats.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by LukeB

This man is awful and a twat and ryanair handled this badly by moving her instead of him or not throwing him off the plane...other people have been chucked off the plane for arguing but not him? Wouldn’t surprise me if ryanair charged her for moving seats.

the staff did not hear any racism so could not do that. The incident is not with Essex police so justice will now occur

[armand.kay]

Also people bending over backwards to explain his behaviour have you considered that there are still racist people in Britain? You know like black people have been saying for a while now.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Also people bending over backwards to explain his behaviour have you considered that there are still racist people in Britain? You know like black people have been saying for a while now.

I know there are racist people in this country. My Grandmother, who is in her 90s, is ready to move to Israel if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected because he will lead us to socially acceptable, state-sponsored antisemitism and she's already lived through that once. A muslim spat in my face on the Tube because I was wearing a Star of David. No one intervened on my behalf. I took a picture as the angry muslim ranted at me and handed it to the Transport Police. They couldn't have been less interested.

It's not only black people who are subjected to this kind of sh1t, but really, you have to keep some perspective. No one seems willing to think the old nutter on the aeroplane is anything other than a vile racist, when he probably just hates everyone.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know there are racist people in this country. My Grandmother, who is in her 90s, is ready to move to Israel if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected because he will lead us to socially acceptable, state-sponsored antisemitism and she's already lived through that once. A muslim spat in my face on the Tube because I was wearing a Star of David. No one intervened on my behalf. I took a picture as the angry muslim ranted at me and handed it to the Transport Police. They couldn't have been less interested.

It's not only black people who are subjected to this kind of sh1t, but really, you have to keep some perspective. No one seems willing to think the old nutter on the aeroplane is anything other than a vile racist, when he probably just hates everyone.

aw sorry to hear all of that Livia, it shows exactly what a tough world we live in as of today

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one seems willing to think the old nutter on the aeroplane is anything other than a vile racist, when he probably just hates everyone.

He can be both.

The fact he's angry at the whole world doesn't make an iota of difference as this specific incident was his abuse of that woman.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know there are racist people in this country. My Grandmother, who is in her 90s, is ready to move to Israel if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected because he will lead us to socially acceptable, state-sponsored antisemitism and she's already lived through that once. A muslim spat in my face on the Tube because I was wearing a Star of David. No one intervened on my behalf. I took a picture as the angry muslim ranted at me and handed it to the Transport Police. They couldn't have been less interested.

It's not only black people who are subjected to this kind of sh1t, but really, you have to keep some perspective. No one seems willing to think the old nutter on the aeroplane is anything other than a vile racist, when he probably just hates everyone.

very sorry to hear that and tbh thats open my eyes because I didn't think Jewish people still went through stuff like that. I only mentioned black people because theres so many cases of black people reporting getting racially abused in public and people are telling them that they're either lying or exaggerating the incident and seeing racism where it's not there. Also I hope you don't think my post was directed just at you...

I'm sure that old guy probably hate a lot of different types of people and is probably every phonic you can imagine... however in this instance he attacked this woman because of her race and the staff seemed to care more about keeping him happy than protecting the woman... I just find getting into the hypothetical mental issues this man may have to be an attempt to shift responsibly from him and takes the victimhood from the woman making the incident seem like 'just one of those things'.... to me its kind of like when the media try to get into the tough upbringing and school life of someone who's just committed something terrible like a terrorist attack or a school shooting...