[Amy Jade]

If this went down as the guy is saying on facebook that he boarded the bus with a pass that wasn't scanning but had a receipt and the driver took both off him and called him a liar that is bad.

At that age I would have been stranded because I only carried bus money and say £20 and I would go home with a pound if that.

Further more if he simply asked for both back to ask the next driver then he should have been given them back not called names.

If the driver called him fat then him calling the driver a prick isn't far from the truth either.

[Denver]

All buses have CCTV so it will be easy to see who is abusive

[y.winter]

"I'm only 15" = I'm untouchable and can't be held responsible for my actions

Yeah, sounds about right

[user104658]

Originally Posted by y.winter

"I'm only 15" = I'm untouchable and can't be held responsible for my actions

Yeah, sounds about right

He can be held responsible but "being held responsible" doesn't involve physical assault.

[Maru]

At first glance at the video, the guy lost his temper. Kicking him off the bus was fine. If the kid had touched him and threatened him, I'd understand though.

The "I'm 15" says it all right there. Victim-mentality shouldn't be ingrained like that in our young. If they act stupid and insulting, people sometimes can & will retaliate. The police aren't meant to handle petty disputes like this. I'm for looking the other way for simple disputes. Our jails are full and the police should be busy catching real criminals. My point, we should be able to sort some things out ourselves. Not get police/social media/the journalists involved at every step.

I remember one time my friend & I were horsing around the back of a Metro here. It was empty, but we were a bit loud and it was a long ride. Mostly just being excitable, because we were looking out the windows and talking about the sights. Anyway, the bus driver wasn't happy. He stopped the bus, yelled back at us from his mirror and was ready to open the door. "If y'all don't calm down, you're getting off this bus"... did we have words? No. We both apologized. Then we sat the **** down. Yeah, there's been other bus drivers who were more "cool" about things like that or whatever, but if it's aggravating/distracting to him, then you can't really blame him.

I've seen people who were likely gang-members who are OTT and in some cases threatening who aren't kicked off. Some bus-drivers are legitimately afraid when they're doing their job. Not saying this is this guy's excuse. He seems like he's just fed up with this. I do not think it's worth calling the police over. Though he may lose his job for touching a passenger.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not fat shaming?

[Niamh.]

It's very interesting how some people think that unless a child is hit as a kid they won't be well behaved or respectful. I have two really well behaved/respectful teenagers and neither were hit as kids. It's not about hitting your kids, it's about disciplining them, hitting them as a method of discipline is lazy parenting. We don't tolerate adults hitting adults so why is an adult hitting a small child ok? I don't get the logic at all

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's very interesting how some people think that unless a child is hit as a kid they won't be well behaved or respectful. I have two really well behaved/respectful teenagers and neither were hit as kids. It's not about hitting your kids, it's about disciplining them, hitting them as a method of discipline is lazy parenting. We don't tolerate adults hitting adults so why is an adult hitting a small child ok? I don't get the logic at all

its not hitting your kids its about caring and teaching them. Lazy parents are the ones who dont care, let them out to all hours, let them watch and so what they want, eat what they want at home

Chav parents will in general bring up feckless kids whether they smack them or not and good parents will bring up good kids whether they smack or not

Sometimes a wee smack on the bum can save a thousand words but naturally it needs to mean something and teach something and not just because you are angry

etc

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its not hitting your kids its about caring and teaching them. Lazy parents are the ones who dont care, let them out to all hours, let them watch and so what they want, eat what they want at home

Chav parents will in general bring up feckless kids whether they smack them or not and good parents will bring up good kids whether they smack or not

Sometimes a wee smack on the bum can save a thousand words but naturally it needs to mean something and teach something and not just because you are angry

etc

Yeah that's also lazy parenting along with getting physical with a little child, it's totally unnecessary to put your hands on another person just to save some words

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that's also lazy parenting along with getting physical with a little child, it's totally unnecessary to put your hands on another person just to save some words

Its not everyones opinion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its not everyones opinion

Well, it's more than an opinion in Ireland actually as it's illegal here to hit your child

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its not hitting your kids its about caring and teaching them. Lazy parents are the ones who dont care, let them out to all hours, let them watch and so what they want, eat what they want at home

Chav parents will in general bring up feckless kids whether they smack them or not and good parents will bring up good kids whether they smack or not

Sometimes a wee smack on the bum can save a thousand words but naturally it needs to mean something and teach something and not just because you are angry

etc

BIB2 sounds pretty lazy to me .

[Redway]

You can’t write off an entire culture’s mode of discipline kids as lazy parenting just because it doesn’t resonate with modern western standards. In’t that a tad offensive?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

You can’t write off an entire culture’s mode of discipline kids as lazy parenting just because it doesn’t resonate with modern western standards. In’t that a tad offensive?

I'm pretty comfortable writing off all deliberate violence that is not in self-defence, in all cultures and in all situations, tbqfh. And while I don't think the act itself necessarily comes from a place of laziness... the idea that "I do it cos my parents did it to me, and their parents did it to them, and we're all just peachy", yes, is pretty lazy.

By all means outline to me how and why it is a good idea independently, psychologically and scientifically and then there's a discussion on its merits. "It's just the way we do things!" is none of those things and says absolutely zero about the merits of the practice.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

You can’t write off an entire culture’s mode of discipline kids as lazy parenting just because it doesn’t resonate with modern western standards. In’t that a tad offensive?

It's offensive to disagree with using physical force against a child? I don't think it is no in the same way I disagree with alot of cultural treatments of women in middle eastern countries for example or FGM in some African cultures, is disagreeing with those practices in the name of culture offensive? And if so call my offensive by all means

[Redway]

Different world cultures.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

Different world cultures.

Cultures are not fixed; it used to be the "culture" in Britain to stick orphans in workhouses to work for their gruel, and not even that long ago, but thankfully an end was put to that without people huffing and puffing about it being "part of our culture". And countless other examples. If something is a **** thing to do then it's a **** thing to do, regardless of culture, and physically attacking someone for any reason other than self-defense is a **** thing to do. Doubly so if it's a child.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Cultures are not fixed; it used to be the "culture" in Britain to stick orphans in workhouses to work for their gruel, and not even that long ago, but thankfully an end was put to that without people huffing and puffing about it being "part of our culture". And countless other examples. If something is a **** thing to do then it's a **** thing to do, regardless of culture, and physically attacking someone for any reason other than self-defense is a **** thing to do. Doubly so if it's a child.

Except the kid in question’s more a teenager than a small boy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

Except the kid in question’s more a teenager than a small boy.

So you're argument is that they shouldn't be hit as a small child, and then START hitting them as a teenager? When a "little smack on the bum" would be undoubtedly ineffective and inappropriate, so what would be the method? A swift backhand to the face? Being pushed up against a wall? In what possible version of reality are either of those things preferable to a reasonable and respectful conversation?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's very interesting how some people think that unless a child is hit as a kid they won't be well behaved or respectful. I have two really well behaved/respectful teenagers and neither were hit as kids. It's not about hitting your kids, it's about disciplining them, hitting them as a method of discipline is lazy parenting. We don't tolerate adults hitting adults so why is an adult hitting a small child ok? I don't get the logic at all

It’s not lazy parenting in other parts of the world. It’s in the culture.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s not lazy parenting in other parts of the world. It’s in the culture.

Using culture as an excuse to hit a small child is ridiculous, are you saying treating women as second class citizens for example is ok because that's a part of alot of cultures? Or imprisoning/killing gay people is ok in some countries because that's part of their culture?

It's lazy parenting in any part of the world, in any culture

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Using culture as an excuse to hit a small child is ridiculous, are you saying treating women as second class citizens for example is ok because that's a part of alot of cultures? Or imprisoning/killing gay people is ok in some countries because that's part of their culture?

It's lazy parenting in any part of the world, in any culture

On the contrary kids with non-Western upbringing usually have more respect for their elders.

The kid in question’s 15. Not exactly a small child.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

On the contrary kids with non-Western upbringing usually have more respect for their elders.

The kid in question’s 15. Not exactly a small child.

Except the post you agreed with said "Perhaps if someone had put their hands on him when he was younger" not when he was 15.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's very interesting how some people think that unless a child is hit as a kid they won't be well behaved or respectful. I have two really well behaved/respectful teenagers and neither were hit as kids. It's not about hitting your kids, it's about disciplining them, hitting them as a method of discipline is lazy parenting. We don't tolerate adults hitting adults so why is an adult hitting a small child ok? I don't get the logic at all

No not at all, this guy did not not hit him, he pushed him off the bus for being rude and disrespectful, there is a huge difference between the two, the driver could have handled it a bit better but the message was clear, be polite or you are not getting on

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No not at all, this guy did not not hit him, he pushed him off the bus for being rude and disrespectful, there is a huge difference between the two, the driver could have handled it a bit better but the message was clear, be polite or you are not getting on

I honestly think this is a totally different debate to the parenting one though and I don't get how people are defending it... it's literally illegal and not excusable to do this to someone else's kids and encouraging it is bloody stupid. For the pusher AND the person doing the pushing. Honestly, all it takes is that kid being "pushed off the bus" to fall and properly hurt himself and that guy's life is wrecked. Definitely job lost, very real possibility of criminal charges. Even if you don't AGREE that pushing people should be illegal, IT IS and pretending that it's OK to do it and someone taking that advice is going to land them in trouble.