[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Should we never import anything from the US ever again because some families got fat from eating McDonald's every day

You are missing my point, obesity is a huge drain on the NHS and a leading cause of cancer, whats the point of leaving one Union where we are dictated only to replace it by another even worse dictator, these foods are banned for a reason and not available in the EU, I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was so we could make our own deals, be in charge of our own destiny yadda yadda …..

also I have to laugh at all the...well I won't be buying it posts and the consumer will have the choice......there is a serious hint of I'm alright Jack raising its head there

[bots]

The only way the UK will benefit economically from leaving the EU is by reducing standards in order to reduce production costs. Give those outside of the EU the cheap **** they crave. This lowering of standards works both ways though in that we will be over run with complete tosh. You pay your money and you take your choice. I'm sure euro goods will still be available, just a lot more expensive.

[Cherie]

just seen this blog from DR and she has put it much better than I ever will....hope you don't mind me reproducing it here..

rexit was described by US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross as a “God-given opportunity” to take business from the UK, while Britain is facing a “period of confusion”.

We have outsourced ourselves for decades to the EU and subsequently have very little experience on how to make good trade deals and because of the imbalance of market size, that puts us in a terrible bargaining position. This could well end up as a game of bullying and when it comes to bullying, the larger guy usually wins.

What we are going to end up with is American rabid free traders because most people won’t be willing to pay for expensive cuts of British meat and dairy products. Our own prices will cripple the economic sustainability of large parts of our farming and that’s why the American food chain will move in with ease. The more we are forced to close down, the more unaffordable our meat and dairy products will become.

Remember what happened when Thatcher removed the tariffs from imported coal? This is going to be the same story again and again and for what… for some short term gain to a small number of people at the top.

And for those worried about chlorinated chicken (and so you should be), its not just food. Food labelling, in fact any labelling will have to be deregulated. Changes in our NHS system will almost certainly happen. Undermining our already crippled NHS by charging for pharmaceutical products more in line with America will ensure our NHS fails. It means changing our laws, our standards. Compromising our environment, giving up more and more control to the big boy.

Should we be scared, I mean could we be cleaned out like Wilbur Ross is so gleefully suggesting? As far as I can see it, we are jumping from one union straight into another… out of the frying pan into the fire. Its like we have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[Cherie]

The Duchess of Sussex has entered the post-Brexit trade deal row over chlorine-washed chicken from America.
Californian-born Meghan yesterday expressed her clear unease about ‘industrial US food systems’ and how ‘badly wrong the US food systems are’.

[user104658]

Tbqfh good ol' British fish & chips are far worse than most meals from KFC or McDonald's... And things like Chinese and Indian take-aways aren't much better.

I just think this argument is off the mark simply because it misunderstands the reasons for bad relationships with food and related health / weight problems. People overeat for comfort and eat badly because of lifestyle. The type of food and where it came from is largely irrelevant.

The only slightly relevant factor is the price and availability; there is an issue in the US with huge portion sizes being expected for a reasonable price. But... Let's be honest here... No matter what else happens with Brexit, I don't think food getting CHEAPER is a realistic outcome. We'll in fact be very lucky if it doesn't become significantly more expensive.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tbqfh good ol' British fish & chips are far worse than most meals from KFC or McDonald's... And things like Chinese and Indian take-aways aren't much better.

I just think this argument is off the mark simply because it misunderstands the reasons for bad relationships with food and related health / weight problems. People overeat for comfort and eat badly because of lifestyle. The type of food and where it came from is largely irrelevant.

The only slightly relevant factor is the price and availability; there is an issue in the US with huge portion sizes being expected for a reasonable price. But... Let's be honest here... No matter what else happens with Brexit, I don't think food getting CHEAPER is a realistic outcome. We'll in fact be very lucky if it doesn't become significantly more expensive.

Yes and when the deals with India and China include sending banned foods or drugs to the UK I will raise it, I don't know what argument you are trying to make as you keep going off in non relatable tangents

[Livia]

No one cares what Meghan thinks. Actresses are just there to say the words written by more intelligent people.

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-standards

Food fight: doubts grow over post-Brexit standards

Soil Association raises concerns over chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef

Chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef are already infecting the debate over a post-Brexit trade deal, with one of the US’s most senior diplomats dismissing the European Union’s “museum of agriculture” approach to food safety.

The US ambassador, Woody Johnson, claimed fears over US food standards leading to lower quality food were “myths” and part of a “smear campaign” to cast American farming in the worst possible light.

The environment secretary, Michael Gove, has pledged that food standards will be the same if not better after the UK leaves the EU, but campaigners are concerned that welfare and environmental protections could be jettisoned in the rush to strike a US trade deal.

On Wednesday, the leading Brexit supporter George Eustice, who resigned from the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs last week, wrote in the Guardian that the UK should not countenance signing any deal that would reduce food standards as it could “give free trade a bad name”. He called US agriculture “quite backward”.

Chlorinated chicken and the use of hormones in animals and animal feed, along with the use of pesticides and food colourants, remain among the top concerns of the Soil Association, which will launch an updated food risk list for US-UK trade talks later this week.

“UK public health and wildlife could be negatively affected if our food and farming standards are sacrificed in pursuit of a US trade deal,” said Rob Percival, the organisation’s head of policy. “UK farmers have been making positive strides in recent years, reducing farm antibiotic use and these efforts risk being undermined by a trade deal that floods the UK market with US meat.”

Food practices listed among the 10 risks to Britain in a US-UK trade deal by the Soil Association include:

Chlorinated chicken
In the US, farmers are allowed to use chlorine washes and other disinfectants to remove harmful bacteria that may have infected the birds during rearing and slaughter. The EU banned the practice 22 years ago, leading to a long-running dispute over imports of chicken from the US.

The US poultry sector has argued the ban in the EU is not based on science, but the EU is concerned that chlorine may compensate or mask poorer hygiene and animal welfare standards earlier in the food chain.

The European Food Safety Authority has concluded that “chemical substances found in poultry meat are unlikely to pose an immediate or acute health threat to consumers”, but a team of microbiologists from Southampton University found last year that some bacteria remained completely active after chlorine washing.

Antibiotics
The Soil Association report on risks to food in a US-UK trade deal says that the use of “antibiotics per animal in US farming is on average a shocking five times higher than in the UK”.

Antibiotic resistance is one of the gravest public health threats facing the world and investigations last year by the Food Safety and Inspection Service showed that powerful antibiotics were still being used despite new rules to curb their use and combat the spread of deadly superbugs.

Data from a US investigation seen by the Guardian showed that 13 separate antibiotics classed by the World Health Organization as “critically important” to human medicine were still being used in meat supply chains.

Hormone-fed beef
Cattle producers in the US and other countries use hormones to induce faster, bigger animal growth but they have been banned in the EU since 1989.

Australia and America are both pushing to have hormone-treated beef included in any future trade deal with the UK, arguing that the EU’s position on the subject is scientifically flawed.

The EU currently allows some imports of beef from the US but they are for high quality non-hormone treated meat.

American farmers have long complained that the EU quota was a bad deal for them because it was exactly the same as was made available to smaller WTO countries such as Australia and Uruguay.

Ractopamine
Ractopamine is a growth hormone used to promote leanness in animals by shifting nutrients into muscle and away from fat deposition. It is administered in the days leading up to slaughter.

It is banned by the EU, mainland China, Russia and almost 160 other countries but not in the US, Japan or North Korea. According to the European parliament, “the substance is widely used: according to some estimates, in the rearing of 60-80% of all pigs produced” in the US.

In swine, the drug is linked to several adverse effects including hyperactivity, broken limbs and trembling.

Food colouring
In the US, products that include Yellow 5 and 6, Red 3 and 40, Blue 1 and 2, Green 3 and Orange B are available for purchase and do not require labelling. The UK banned these food dyes following a 2007 double-blind study that found eating artificially coloured food appeared to increase children’s hyperactivity.

Food colours are contained in many foods and drinks, including snacks, margarine, cheese, jams and desserts.

[Cherie]

actopamine
Ractopamine is a growth hormone used to promote leanness in animals by shifting nutrients into muscle and away from fat deposition. It is administered in the days leading up to slaughter.

It is banned by the EU, mainland China, Russia and almost 160 other countries but not in the US, Japan or North Korea. According to the European parliament, “the substance is widely used: according to some estimates, in the rearing of 60-80% of all pigs produced” in the US.

In swine, the drug is linked to several adverse effects including hyperactivity, broken limbs and trembling.


Banned in Russia and China..... that doesn't sound very promising now does it?

[user104658]

To be fair, of that list, the heavy use of antibiotics in farming does concern me quite a bit. It's also one that affects all of us, no matter what we choose to eat.

[arista]