[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean if ever that law should apply, it should be in this type of situation, I would have thought?

I would too.But when this was being discussed on TV before and treason laws were mentioned,It was always kind of dismissed.
Maybe her lawyers could somehow prove that it’s not a crime against the crown?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think the problem is(from what i’ve heard) that we don’t have the laws to deal with her.Unless we can use the treason law?

I agree about all the other jihadi’s we’ve let back and the focus on this one case.
I think it’s something like 400 roaming our streets unmonitored.
However I don’t think letting more in helps the situation.

No one's been tried for treason since Lord Haw Haw after WW2. Acts of treason include "Helping Britain’s enemies" and I suppose could be considered, it carries a maximum term of life imprisonment (treason hasn't been punishable by death since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998). However, it's the British Nationality Act that's been used for Begum which allows stripping a person of their citizenship of the UK if it is for the greater good of the British public.

[Livia]

Over 40,000 people - mostly men, but some women and children - left their home countries to join IS. IS fighters come from more than 80 countries around the world. We're not the only country to have this problem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Over 40,000 people - mostly men, but some women and children - left their home countries to join IS. IS fighters come from more than 80 countries around the world. We're not the only country to have this problem.

I know, I posted a link to someone from Ireland in the same situation and we'll probably be taking her back...as we should because she's Irish

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know, I posted a link to someone from Ireland in the same situation and we'll probably be taking her back...as we should because she's Irish

Good luck with that, Ireland.

I'm not up on Irish law, but we have a perfectly legal right to refuse her re-entry to the UK. And I really resent all the time and sympathy given to her when there are so many more worthy people going through hell in the world. That's not aimed at you Niamh, just in general.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Good luck with that, Ireland.

I'm not up on Irish law, but we have a perfectly legal right to refuse her re-entry to the UK. And I really resent all the time and sympathy given to her when there are so many more worthy people going through hell in the world. That's not aimed at you Niamh, just in general.

I think you're mistaking alot of peoples opinions on taking her back as being sympathetic towards her when it's actually more to do with not passing your responsibilities as a country on to some other country to deal with

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you're mistaking alot of peoples opinions on taking her back as being sympathetic towards her when it's actually more to do with not passing your responsibilities as a country on to some other country to deal with

I am happy for her to remain in Syria, completely stateless.

[Niamh.]

The Caliphate isn't even a country though

[Twosugars]

I can see the argument that she was British so should be dealt with by Britain, but
there's also something to be said for a state being able to divest itself of its citizens who go and fight against it. It would be part of the deterrent: the rest of their life spent stateless. We could also add an incentive that if significant change of ways (words and actions) shown in future their citizenship may be reviewed again.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I can see the argument that she was British so should be dealt with by Britain, but
there's also something to be said for a state being able to divest itself of its citizens who go and fight against it. It would be part of the deterrent: the rest of their life spent stateless. We could also add an incentive that if significant change of ways (words and actions) shown in future their citizenship may be reviewed again.

That would only work if there's a place where "stateless" people could be without another country having to pick up the slack so to speak

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That would only work if there's a place where "stateless" people could be without another country having to pick up the slack so to speak

yes, Idk how it works exactly can't they still be given a residence permit somewhere or asylum?
Livia, you're a lawyer, dust off those books

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

yes, Idk how it works exactly can't they still be given a residence permit somewhere or asylum?
Livia, you're a lawyer, dust off those books

Who in their right mind would want to give asylum to a potential terrorist though? That's crazy

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who in their right mind would want to give asylum to a potential terrorist though? That's crazy

Some of the Arab countries?
The Caliphate must have been supported on the quiet by somebody? Where the money and arms were coming from?

[bots]

the rules on citizenship are all a bit complicated. For example, we can't deport illegal immigrants unless they have a valid passport.

If you ever go on holiday to somewhere not in europe, the country will expect you to have at least 6 months remaining on it before it expires. This is done to allow them to send you back if you run off and hide.

In this womans case, she doesnt have a passport, she is not in a country where she can get a british one, the british aren't going to help her get one, and she can't travel to any other country to get one ...... So, it's all kind of pointless really as she isn't going anywhere.