[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be nice if stereotypes could be erased across the board, but that ain't going to happen when white people are quite happy to stereotype other white people while moaning about white people stereotyping people of other races, personally I don't get it, but I live by my own rules, not some rules set by twitter et al

True.... ginger people, fat people, geeky people... everyone has the urine extracted and we can't legislate for everyone. Sounds a bit too 1984.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be nice if stereotypes could be erased across the board, but that ain't going to happen when white people are quite happy to stereotype other white people while moaning about white people stereotyping people of other races, personally I don't get it, but I live by my own rules, not some rules set by twitter et al

Stereotyping exists, its a fact. Again there's a difference between a white person mocking another race with a perceived physical appearance and identifying stereotypical traits in another white person.

I too live by my own rules, I don't however shmush all rules into one, or call for the erasure of societal observation.

Not all stereotypes are negative btw.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Stereotyping exists, its a fact. Again there's a difference between a white person mocking another race with a perceived physical appearance and identifying stereotypical traits in another white person.

I too live by my own rules, I don't however shmush all rules into one, or call for the erasure of societal observation.

Not all stereotypes are negative btw.

True but the majority are negative

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

True but the majority are negative

Thought you were a glass half full girl?.. come on I'm sure you can think of some positive stereotypes.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thought you were a glass half full girl?.. come on I'm sure you can think of some positive stereotypes.

Nope even I am stumped

Dictionary definition, not too positive is it

a set idea that people have about what someone or something is like, especially an idea that is wrong:
racial/sexual stereotypes
He doesn't conform to/fit/fill the national stereotype of a Frenchman.
The characters in the book are just stereotypes

[Tom4784]

I can understand why some people might think Karen is a sexist term but, tbh, anyone can be a Karen regardless of gender. If you're rude, hostile and attempting to scream down people trying to provide a service to you, you're a Karen, if you're bothering people for existing and getting into their business where you don't belong, you're a Karen. Etc etc.

[armand.kay]

the meme was made to poke fun at entitled people who’d utilise their privilege to assert power over people somewhere along the line it’s ended up being used to describe any whiney white woman. The only issues i’ve ever had with the meme though is that i’m not really a fan of giving racist white people who weaponise the police a cutesy nickname.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

the meme was made to poke fun at entitled people who’d utilise their privilege to assert power over people somewhere along the line it’s ended up being used to describe any whiney white woman. The only issues i’ve ever had with the meme though is that i’m not really a fan of giving racist white people who weaponise the police a cutesy nickname.

Succinctly put

[Beso]

All Karen's names matter.

[Livia]

Can someone please list for me, all the people it's okay to abuse? Because I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if everyone stopped abusing everyone else.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can someone please list for me, all the people it's okay to abuse? Because I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if everyone stopped abusing everyone else.

Everyone. Simple as that

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Can someone please list for me, all the people it's okay to abuse? Because I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if everyone stopped abusing everyone else.

racists
bigots
xenophobes
homophobes
etc..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

racists
bigots
xenophobes
homophobes
etc..

And YOU are one of the people who get to decide who those people are.

That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And YOU are one of the people who get to decide who those people are.

That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

Do you think I made bad choices with what I listed?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Do you think I made bad choices with what I listed?

You don't really want to know what I think, you want an opportunity to call me names.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't really want to know what I think, you want an opportunity to call me names.

What names did I call you????

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Do you think I made bad choices with what I listed?

The list itself is fine, because everyone is a fair target

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

What names did I call you????

She's referring to the fact that several people here have clocked her for racist remarks... and she doesn't feel that being a racist can apply to her because she is Jewish.
I can say this because I know she has blocked me for 7 years or more for pointing out a racist remark.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The list itself is fine, because everyone is a fair target

For abuse? have to disagree. For a bit of rib-poking and ponytail-pulling, yes, but aggressive/vicious verbal attacks... Nah. Never OK no matter what you think of the person. Take the recent JK Rowling stuff as an example - whether you agree with what she's had to say regarding gender identity or not, the abuse doled out on SoMed isn't really OK. It wouldn't be OK directed at racists or anyone else, either. By all means call people out but when it starts to get aggressive and threatening, it's gone too far. In literally any circumstance.

I'd also add, even the gentler "rib-poking" whilst generally fine, I draw the line when it's directed at people with intellectual disabilities and the severely mentally ill. It stops being OK when the target has no way of being "in on the joke", doesn't understand, and can't respond.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

For abuse? have to disagree. For a bit of rib-poking and ponytail-pulling, yes, but aggressive/vicious verbal attacks... Nah. Never OK no matter what you think of the person. Take the recent JK Rowling stuff as an example - whether you agree with what she's had to say regarding gender identity or not, the abuse doled out on SoMed isn't really OK. It wouldn't be OK directed at racists or anyone else, either. By all means call people out but when it starts to get aggressive and threatening, it's gone too far. In literally any circumstance.

I'd also add, even the gentler "rib-poking" whilst generally fine, I draw the line when it's directed at people with intellectual disabilities and the severely mentally ill. It stops being OK when the target has no way of being "in on the joke", doesn't understand, and can't respond.

Depends how we define abuse mockery and memeing of types is fine no matter who, as long as they're not disabled like you said.

I feel a bit bad for JKR, god knows how much abuse she's been getting lately for pointing out that only females menstrate, and even the cast members are borderline renouncing her!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Depends how we define abuse mockery and memeing of types is fine no matter who, as long as they're not disabled like you said.

I feel a bit bad for JKR, god knows how much abuse she's been getting lately for pointing out that only females menstrate, and even the cast members are borderline renouncing her!

Her ex has come out saying, he's not sorry he hit her either. Imagine feeling so emboldened by the abuse she's getting on SM that you feel fine about saying you hit her and you don't feel bad?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Her ex has come out saying, he's not sorry he hit her either. Imagine feeling so emboldened by the abuse she's getting on SM that you feel fine about saying you hit her and you don't feel bad?

Jesus, I didn't hear about that ...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Jesus, I didn't hear about that ...

Front page of the Sun apparently (and featured in other news papers)

[user104658]

Her decision to engage with this on Twitter was an error (though IMO the decision to engage in any debate on Twitter is an error) because, even grading on a curve, the Twitter trans rights community is utterly toxic.

But there's no excuse at all for the aggression she's been getting (rape threats from transwomen? Erm...) and the HP cast jumping on the bandwagon and repeating hive-mind mantras to, as far as I can tell, appease the zeitgeist... Is utterly pathetic. I couldn't have less respect for them at this point.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Her ex has come out saying, he's not sorry he hit her either. Imagine feeling so emboldened by the abuse she's getting on SM that you feel fine about saying you hit her and you don't feel bad?

That says more about him and his character than it does about the people calling her out for her views. Views she is adamant enough to write essays about for the public to scrutinize.
His vile character and actions while they were married does not justify either of their views or actions today.