[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't really check pockets while someone is struggling because of the risk of needles.

I personally don't think he could effectively grab or use a weapon with the way he's cuffed, though. But I'm not an expert at cuffing. Just an enthusiast.

[arista]

Ch4HD news said the Black fella was in a fight.

[Beso]

Do they still have a weeks work thing for 4thbyears at school?

They need to be making police officer an option.

Those poor coppers, when you watch the video from the house, being surrounded by an ever growing crowd with a wrestling man on his back and everyone's in a rage cause his knee slipped to his kneck for a gnats baw length of time.

Aye..have a go yourselves...urghhh this place..

Really.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch4HD news said the Black fella was in a fight.

BBC said he knelt on his kneck but they then blurred that out on the video..


Dodgy as usual.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Do they still have a weeks work thing for 4thbyears at school?

They need to be making police officer an option.

Those poor coppers, when you watch the video from the house, being surrounded by an ever growing crowd with a wrestling man on his back and everyone's in a rage cause his knee slipped to his kneck for a gnats baw length of time.

Aye..have a go yourselves...urghhh this place..

Really.

Aye...make excuses for inappropriate behaviour rather than condemning it.

That's why things never change and you get people in public service positions becoming lazy and complacent.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Aye...make excuses for inappropriate behaviour rather than condemning it.

That's why things never change and you get people in public service positions becoming lazy and complacent.

You wouldn't bat an eyelid if that bloke was white..

You would either say nothing, or condemn him for being a drunken yob out for a fight in a friday night.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You wouldn't bat an eyelid if that bloke was white..

You would either say nothing, or condemn him for being a drunken yob out for a fight in a friday night.

A white neck is still a neck. Something that shouldn’t be leant on by power mad coppers.

It’s shocking that you have this stance. Really shocking.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

A white neck is still a neck. Something that shouldn’t be leant on by power mad coppers.

It’s shocking that you have this stance. Really shocking.

What is shocking is the fact you believe his kneck was leant on in the way george Floyd's was.

And what is my stance, please explain

[Crimson Dynamo]

[GiRTh]

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

Read some more.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Read some more.

Had a quick look and we're still arguing if he's on his neck so no I've seen enough.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Had a quick look and we're still arguing if he's on his neck so no I've seen enough.

I never disputed that fwiw.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

I never disputed that fwiw.

I almost missed the -'What about the people mouthing off at the police' Yeah I've definitely seen enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I almost missed the -'What about the people mouthing off at the police' Yeah I've definitely seen enough.

The police wont run away all the time my friend.

It's been tried before.

[Kizzy]

Cuffs are restraints, they are effectively restraining someone who is already restrained.

The key word is proportionate... was the response proportionate to the threat?
1 unarmed man in cuffs, 2 officers one on legs one knealt on his neck/head area.
The suspension shows the police feel this is excessive.

The usual 'what if ' bull is totally irrelevant.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Cuffs are restraints, they are effectively restraining someone who is already restrained.

The key word is proportionate... was the response proportionate to the threat?
1 unarmed man in cuffs, 2 officers one on legs one knealt on his neck/head area.
The suspension shows the police feel this is excessive.

The usual 'what if ' bull is totally irrelevant.

This is a non story..a normal day in any town or city, it could have been anyone of any nationality or colour if that matters.

The left will dress it up to further divide normal british citizens to try and gain votes in the future.
Tibb will hurl racist accusations whilst seeing the colour of the criminal before anything else when a normal british citizens mentions the normality of it all..


But that's life I guess

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

I mean there are only 3 pages, it's not a very long thread... and there was quite a bit of discussion about it being heavy-handed regardless early on in the thread. And I still think there's a fair bit of conflation going on. I genuinely think this is more an example of officers being poorly trained, then a deliberate attempt to harm. That's not an excuse but it's an important distinction.

[thesheriff443]

Hand cuffing from the front does not give the best level of restraint because someone who is cuffed that way still has a lot of range of movement.

The fact he is on the ground tells me he put up a struggle and had to be taken to the ground.

I’ve been arrested with out cuffs and without cuffs, resisting will get you no where only with a charge of resisting arrest or assault.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This is a non story..a normal day in any town or city, it could have been anyone of any nationality or colour if that matters.

The left will dress it up to further divide normal british citizens to try and gain votes in the future.
Tibb will hurl racist accusations whilst seeing the colour of the criminal before anything else when a normal british citizens mentions the normality of it all..


But that's life I guess

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police bad

Grr

[GoldHeart]

What is wrong with the police , they have the guy on the floor helpless and handcuffed so why do they feel they need to use extra force !?? .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

Nope the police are not bad, they are great, this incident is bad.