[Marsh.]

The "You are not trans so it has nothing to do with you" stuff she gets thrown at her is ever so slightly ironic tbh.

[Scarlett.]

It seems a lot more sensible if there was perhaps a seperate changing/toilet facility for transpeople to use. Because as much as some women are against transwomen in female areas, a lot of transwomen are terrified of using them because it can, quite a lot of the time, lead to them getting attacked and targeted, but they have no choice because asking transwomen to get changed in a male changing room could lead to even more problems.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

It seems a lot more sensible if there was perhaps a seperate changing/toilet facility for transpeople to use. Because as much as some women are against transwomen in female areas, a lot of transwomen are terrified of using them because it can, quite a lot of the time, lead to them getting attacked and targeted, but they have no choice because asking transwomen to get changed in a male changing room could lead to even more problems.

The problem is that would open the doors to all sorts of suggestions and circumstances, what would happen if there was a campaign by straight men to have gays banned from public toilets because they ‘feel uncomfortable’ if we start segregating one minority at the behest of the ‘majority’, where does it end?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The problem is that would open the doors to all sorts of suggestions and circumstances, what would happen if there was a campaign by straight men to have gays banned from public toilets because they ‘feel uncomfortable’ if we start segregating one minority at the behest of the majority, where does it end?

This is true, speaking as a transperson myself though, it would make it a lot easier and safer for those earlier in transitioning.

I'm not talking about a room that literally says 'trans changing room' but perhaps an optional, no questions asked 'private changing room', and honestly, unless the place you are needing to get changed for is an old building, private changing rooms should be the preferred option.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

This is true, speaking as a transperson myself though, it would make it a lot easier and safer for those earlier in transitioning.

I'm not talking about a room that literally says 'trans changing room' but perhaps an optional, no questions asked 'private changing room', and honestly, unless the place you are needing to get changed for is an old building, private changing rooms should be the preferred option.

Personally, seeing as poll after poll shows the majority of women aren’t bothered by trans women having access to their spaces, maybe the ones that are should use a different bathroom seeing as they’re the ones who don’t want to interact or have to be around trans women

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Personally, seeing as poll after poll shows the majority of women aren’t bothered by trans women having access to their spaces, maybe the ones that are should use a different bathroom seeing as they’re the ones who don’t want to interact or have to be around trans women

You seem to be fixated on the use of bathrooms or changing rooms which isn’t the major issue at all

[Tom4784]

Happy birthday, JK!

[Marsh.]

Yeah I imagine removing the "hoops" would cause even more issues. They are in place for a reason, not for the sake of it.

[Oliver_W]

The hoops should be there tbh. Transition hormones can cause all sorts of health issues, so it's best that due diligence is taken by the doctors before they're prescribed. The NHS doesn't need endless lawsuits.

On the other end, you get people like Jessica Yaniv abusing the self-ID system. He shouldn't be used as a stick to beat actual transwomen with, but maybe a measuring stick to show what kind of creeps can trickle through.

[Scarlett.]

Yeah, waiting 3-4 years for the first appointment is absolutely, completely necessary, then waiting a further 2-3 years to be even considered for hormone treatment is such a clever idea.

Edit: Sorry for taking that tone, its just annoying, because you have to wait so long to be even seen by anyone

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Yeah, waiting 3-4 years for the first appointment is absolutely, completely necessary, then waiting a further 2-3 years to be even considered for hormone treatment is such a clever idea.

It's a permanent and life altering change though so surely a process over a few years is absolutely necessary?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's a permanent and life altering change though so surely a process over a few years is absolutely necessary?

It's more the fact that you have to wait so long to be seen by any sort of professional at all, til then you're sort of forgotten about.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

It's more the fact that you have to wait so long to be seen by any sort of professional at all, til then you're sort of forgotten about.

Oh well that's something I would absolutely support changes in.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

It's more the fact that you have to wait so long to be seen by any sort of professional at all, til then you're sort of forgotten about.

Yeah thats not right at all

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Yeah, waiting 3-4 years for the first appointment is absolutely, completely necessary, then waiting a further 2-3 years to be even considered for hormone treatment is such a clever idea.

Edit: Sorry for taking that tone, its just annoying, because you have to wait so long to be even seen by anyone

...looking at your post, Scarlett...I was googling and can see how frustrating it must be with the endless waiting time...I mean, it’s a good thing that there are more and more people who feel they want to go through transitioning but in turn that stretches resources and the waiting times for each stage or each appointment...some appointments can be quite simple but the waiting time has been several years...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Yeah, waiting 3-4 years for the first appointment is absolutely, completely necessary, then waiting a further 2-3 years to be even considered for hormone treatment is such a clever idea.

Edit: Sorry for taking that tone, its just annoying, because you have to wait so long to be even seen by anyone

The lack of proper service provision for people seeking to explore the possibility of transition is an absolutely huge issue, certainly... the problem is that there's an ever-growing number of people who seem to believe that unilateral self ID and completely "skipping a step" in the process is the answer to that, often with a lot of conflation involving an insistance that trans is equatable with homosexuality ("you wouldn't say a child needs service interventions because they say they're gay" etc.).

The complicated truth is that while transexuality obviously is a very real thing, it is NOT as simple as sexuality at all, and there are huge mental health implications for children and adolescents.

I don't think this is an issue that JK Rowling handles well at all, however I also don't think she's ill-intentioned so much as ham-fisted, and now is falling into a trap of (ironically) feeling misunderstood being "egged on" by supporters.

I also think it's a mis-step to ignore women's concerns when it comes to trans rights... even if you don't think the concerns are real. It is, again, musch more complicated than that.

[Oliver_W]

I still think it's right that the hoops are there and should be jumped through, but the really long waiting time could do with being cut. The danger is that people will buy hormones off the internet, when not only could they be absolutely anything but they'd have no idea what it's doing to their bodies without medical supervision.

Maybe some kind of early filtering process to identify the "trender" and enby types and shove them to the back of the queue to make room for people with genuine dysphoria.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I still think it's right that the hoops are there and should be jumped through, but the really long waiting time could do with being cut. The danger is that people will buy hormones off the internet, when not only could they be absolutely anything but they'd have no idea what it's doing to their bodies without medical supervision.

Maybe some kind of early filtering process to identify the "trender" and enby types and shove them to the back of the queue to make room for people with genuine dysphoria.

They do mention that some people do buy them of the internet, and while they wont stop them, they mention that they must go to the doctors who will advise them on the dosage ect.

[Withano]

Terf ****

[Tom4784]

I do think that the process has to be quite a lengthy one as I know that it's not uncommon for people to regret transitioning when it's too late to be undone.

It's not easy for trans people who are sure of who they are to be faced with such a long wait but although, ideally, I'd shorten down the time it takes to transition, I think the process as a whole should take a few years with plenty of opportunities to back out if they decide that transitioning isn't for them.