[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Can you imagine the uproar if something was referred to as a ‘Jewish crime’? Lord above, I can’t deal with this place sometimes, it’s horrific

Well, if you referred to a Jewish crime, it'd be untrue. Wouldn't it. According to the same set of statistic to which I refer.

This is not about me insulting black people however much you and other want to think that. You can all back each other up all you want, gun and knife crime is predominantly a black crime, there's no getting away from it. I am not saying this because I'm a racist, I'm saying this because it needs addressing; because those who die from gun and knife crime are also predominantly black and that is just not acceptable. And that's never going to be addressed until people stop having a meltdown when race is mentioned.

Lord above, I can't deal with this place sometimes either.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, if you referred to a Jewish crime, it'd be untrue. Wouldn't it. According to the same set of statistic to which I refer.

This is not about me insulting black people however much you and other want to think that. You can all back each other up all you want, gun and knife crime is predominantly a black crime, there's no getting away from it. I am not saying this because I'm a racist, I'm saying this because it needs addressing; because those who die from gun and knife crime are also predominantly black and that is just not acceptable. And that's never going to be addressed until people stop having a meltdown when race is mentioned.

Lord above, I can't deal with this place sometimes either.

+1

same

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, if you referred to a Jewish crime, it'd be untrue. Wouldn't it. According to the same set of statistic to which I refer.

This is not about me insulting black people however much you and other want to think that. You can all back each other up all you want, gun and knife crime is predominantly a black crime, there's no getting away from it. I am not saying this because I'm a racist, I'm saying this because it needs addressing; because those who die from gun and knife crime are also predominantly black and that is just not acceptable. And that's never going to be addressed until people stop having a meltdown when race is mentioned.

Lord above, I can't deal with this place sometimes either.

Pretending this is not the case is just going to result in more black people dying

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Pretending this is not the case is just going to result in more black people dying

Myth 1: Knife crime is committed “almost exclusively” by young black men.

Speaking on ITV’s Good Morning Britain in March, co-host Piers Morgan stated “statistically, it looks like in London, right now… the perpetrators and the victims appear to be almost exclusively young black men.”

Reality: Citing Freedom of Information requests made to police forces, in July 2018 Sky News noted that in London “Almost half of murder victims – as well as suspects – were black despite the ethnic group accounting for just 13 per cent of London's population.” However, Sky News also explained “Numbers for the rest of the country painted a different picture, with murder victim and suspect figures more or less proportionate to the makeup of the population.” For example, in February BBC News noted the worst place for fatal stabbings in the UK, in proportion to population, was Inverclyde in Scotland. A few miles to the east the 95 per cent white Glasgow was, until recently, dubbed – by the Daily Mail – “the knife crime capital of Britain.”

“There are likely to be important socio-economic factors in homicides that cannot be examined using” the basic data, a 2019 Office for National Statistics report conceded. Indeed, according to the Serious Violence Strategy published by the government last year “the evidence on links between serious violence and ethnicity is limited. Once other factors are controlled for, it is not clear from the evidence whether ethnicity is a predictor of offending or victimisation.”

Taking a “wide range of factors into account”, including ethnicity, a 2003 study by the Youth Justice Board titled Young People & Street Crime echoed this conclusion. It found “two main factors explained differences in the levels of street crime between [London] boroughs… the level of deprivation… and the extent of population change” – the number of young people as a proportion of the total population.

“Crime is prevalent in poor areas, and since black people are disproportionality poor, they are disproportionately affected – as perpetrators and victims,” the Guardian’s Gary Younge noted in 2017, after extensive investigative work into knife crime. “It’s class – not race or culture – that is the defining issue.”

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...e-myths-busted

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Can you imagine the uproar if something was referred to as a ‘Jewish crime’? Lord above, I can’t deal with this place sometimes, it’s horrific

Yep. The hypocrisy is no longer staggering, however.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Khan's London

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Could be some turf war thing as it seems always to be in London, tragic

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Play with fire..

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is why stop and search is necessary

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

has there ever been a rally in London about black on blaCK crime?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

London had the highest proportion of lone parent families in the UK in 2019, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Khan's London

I've seen you in other threads pretending to care about black mothers, and yet here you are, using the shooting of a young black mother to wheel out your one routine.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and its always led to black mothers losing sons



its nothing to celebrate

its youth ignorance and poor education

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Khan's London

Yes he is Busy getting Transport improved.

[Denver]

Crime is crime and race doesn't come into it but if you feel the need to call something a black crime then I am sorry you are racist its literally the same energy of calling all Muslims terrorists when you could just call it a crime

[Liam-]

People never get tired of demonising black people huh?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

People never get tired of demonising black people huh?

She is High Profile

[smudgie]

Poor lass.
Hope she makes a full recovery.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Poor lass.
Hope she makes a full recovery.

She has had Surgery on her head.

[Liam-]

Facts don’t matter to people intent on painting black people like monsters

[Cherie]

I think like many things London has its own stats, and you can't take the whole country as one as in many things

Young black men in London are being murdered at a rate unlike anywhere else in the UK, as gang wars rage on in the capital.

Sky News has spent months speaking with London's fiercest gangs as part of an investigation into this year's increase in gang-related violence.

Our freedom of information requests reveal almost half of murder victims and murder suspects in the capital are young black men - way out of proportion to London's population, in which 13% are black.

https://news.sky.com/story/line-18-g...k-men-11447089

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think like many things London has its own stats, and you can't take the whole country as one as in many things

Young black men in London are being murdered at a rate unlike anywhere else in the UK, as gang wars rage on in the capital.

Sky News has spent months speaking with London's fiercest gangs as part of an investigation into this year's increase in gang-related violence.

Our freedom of information requests reveal almost half of murder victims and murder suspects in the capital are young black men - way out of proportion to London's population, in which 13% are black.

https://news.sky.com/story/line-18-g...k-men-11447089

Sure I'm not denying that but there are reasons for that, the same reasons why Glasgow had the highest rates of knife crime in the past and it wasn't because they were mostly white in Glasgow just like in London it isn't because they're black (also the article I posted says that as well)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure I'm not denying that but there are reasons for that, the same reasons why Glasgow had the highest rates of knife crime in the past and it wasn't because they were mostly white in Glasgow just like in London it isn't because they're black (also the article I posted says that as well)

I think for people who live in London or have lived in London this is the current experience though, it's what is on the London News practically every night of the week, there has been some respite during lockdown, I don't think this it is racist to point this out

I have heard Black Youth leaders pointing it out and Black ex gang members go into schools to speak about their experiences, none of whom are I would imagine are racist

If I lived in Scotland I would probably say it was white on white crime and that is not racist to say either, but that is not my experience

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think for people who live in London or have lived in London this is the current experience though, it's what is on the London News practically every night of the week, there has been some respite during lockdown, I don't think this it is racist to point this out

I have heard Black Youth leaders pointing it out and Black ex gang members go into schools to speak about their experiences, none of whom are I would imagine are racist

If I lived in Scotland I would probably say it was white on white crime and that is not racist to say either, but that is not my experience

The point is it was never referred to as white on white crime at all

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Facts don’t matter to people intent on painting black people like monsters

She is an Oxford Graduate
But chose to be a Dangerous Political Public Speaker.
In charge of a new Black Lead Party.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

She is an Oxford Graduate
But chose to be a Dangerous Political Public Speaker.
In charge of a new Black Lead Party.

Well, it was only Oxford Brookes, so ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope she recovers

I am puzzled with the news media calling her an "equality campaigner" when:

Ms Johnson played a leading role in the summer BLM protests, including the
Million People March, and rose to notoriety shortly before when videos
showed her confronting a black man she was arguing with and repeatedly
calling him the racial slur 'c**n'.

In the past, her Twitter account have been suspended for tweets which
discussed enslaving white people. She told us these tweets were 'fake' and
an 'attack from the Far Right'.

Ms Johnson has campaigned for statues to be removed and is part of the
secretive group Forever Family Force.

Footage on Instagram shows her parading with female FFF members in
military-style garb during a march in Brixton earlier this year for African
Emancipation Day.

Comparisons have been made with the Black Panthers, the radical far-Left
protesters who wore similar uniforms as they campaigned against police
brutality in 1960s America.

Ms Johnson is also the UK's representative of a new organisation called the
New Black Panthers Party and has called for the establishment of a 'black
militia' in the UK.

In a video posted in July last year, she compared the police to the Ku Klux
Klan.

Ms Johnson also led chants of '******* the police' and 'one solution,
revolution' in a fresh campaign to remove the statue of Cecil Rhodes from
Oxford University.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

horrible aggressive extreme-left politics that have no place in a modern diverse, welcoming Britain

[Swan]

I'd never heard of this woman, it's amazing how she survived a gunshot to the head, though it's not unheard of. I wonder the calibre of the weapon?!

As far as 'black on black' crime technically it's true, just the same as white on white crime, but the bigger picture really is 'crime is crime' I wouldn't personally focus on race i would (and have done many times before) focus on class and social standing.

Class privilege is very real, always has been yet nothing much is really said. We kind of just accept it, like it's a part of our culture. Example - A girl i kinda of knew through other people, as thick as two planks, managed to worm her way into Uni through an appeal after previously getting rejected. Daddy, a Headmaster at a Grammar School pulled a few strings, and of course she ended up getting in. She also decided she wanted to become an actress, Mummy who works in the City (London) for a firm that has connections to a Talent Agency manged to get this completely untalented person into minor roles on BBC TV Shows, like Crimewatch reenactments for example....Im ranting now but class plays a huge part. Do you think a working class person living in a council flat in London, no matter what race, would get those kind of breaks in life?! Of course not! They would probably have to work twice as hard and be awarded with half as much.

All the above can make a person living in poverty feel hopeless, so what happens when society rejects them merely because they're seen a lesser person? They turn to crime, they turn to gangs. Poverty and class structure builds hopelessness, and in turn hopelessness breads criminality.

Equal opportunity is non-existent, it's all about who you know, and where you're from. We're far from the only country guilty of this, but it doesn't make it anymore acceptable imo. Equal opportunity should be afforded to all, no matter class, unfortunately it never has and probably never will. This applies to all races.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'd never heard of this woman, it's amazing how she survived a gunshot to the head, though it's not unheard of. I wonder the calibre of the weapon?!

As far as 'black on black' crime technically it's true, just the same as white on white crime, but the bigger picture really is 'crime is crime' I wouldn't personally focus on race i would (and have done many times before) focus on class and social standing.

Class privilege is very real, always has been yet nothing much is really said. We kind of just accept it, like it's a part of our culture. Example - A girl i kinda of knew through other people, as thick as two planks, managed to worm her way into Uni through an appeal after previously getting rejected. Daddy, a Headmaster at a Grammar School pulled a few strings, and of course she ended up getting in. She also decided she wanted to become an actress, Mummy who works in the City (London) for a firm that has connections to a Talent Agency manged to get this completely untalented person into minor roles on BBC TV Shows, like Crimewatch reenactments for example....Im ranting now but class plays a huge part. Do you think a working class person living in a council flat in London, no matter what race, would get those kind of breaks in life?! Of course not! They would probably have to work twice as hard and be awarded with half as much.

All the above can make a person living in poverty feel hopeless, so what happens when society rejects them merely because they're seen a lesser person? They turn to crime, they turn to gangs. Poverty and class structure builds hopelessness, and in turn hopelessness breads criminality.

Equal opportunity is non-existent, it's all about who you know, and where you're from. We're far from the only country guilty of this, but it doesn't make it anymore acceptable imo. Equal opportunity should be afforded to all, no matter class, unfortunately it never has and probably never will. This applies to all races.

Very good post Swan.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'd never heard of this woman, it's amazing how she survived a gunshot to the head, though it's not unheard of. I wonder the calibre of the weapon?!

As far as 'black on black' crime technically it's true, just the same as white on white crime, but the bigger picture really is 'crime is crime' I wouldn't personally focus on race i would (and have done many times before) focus on class and social standing.

Class privilege is very real, always has been yet nothing much is really said. We kind of just accept it, like it's a part of our culture. Example - A girl i kinda of knew through other people, as thick as two planks, managed to worm her way into Uni through an appeal after previously getting rejected. Daddy, a Headmaster at a Grammar School pulled a few strings, and of course she ended up getting in. She also decided she wanted to become an actress, Mummy who works in the City (London) for a firm that has connections to a Talent Agency manged to get this completely untalented person into minor roles on BBC TV Shows, like Crimewatch reenactments for example....Im ranting now but class plays a huge part. Do you think a working class person living in a council flat in London, no matter what race, would get those kind of breaks in life?! Of course not! They would probably have to work twice as hard and be awarded with half as much.

All the above can make a person living in poverty feel hopeless, so what happens when society rejects them merely because they're seen a lesser person? They turn to crime, they turn to gangs. Poverty and class structure builds hopelessness, and in turn hopelessness breads criminality.

Equal opportunity is non-existent, it's all about who you know, and where you're from. We're far from the only country guilty of this, but it doesn't make it anymore acceptable imo. Equal opportunity should be afforded to all, no matter class, unfortunately it never has and probably never will. This applies to all races.

Yep that's it in a nutshell really Swan

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'd never heard of this woman, it's amazing how she survived a gunshot to the head, though it's not unheard of. I wonder the calibre of the weapon?!

As far as 'black on black' crime technically it's true, just the same as white on white crime, but the bigger picture really is 'crime is crime' I wouldn't personally focus on race i would (and have done many times before) focus on class and social standing.

Class privilege is very real, always has been yet nothing much is really said. We kind of just accept it, like it's a part of our culture. Example - A girl i kinda of knew through other people, as thick as two planks, managed to worm her way into Uni through an appeal after previously getting rejected. Daddy, a Headmaster at a Grammar School pulled a few strings, and of course she ended up getting in. She also decided she wanted to become an actress, Mummy who works in the City (London) for a firm that has connections to a Talent Agency manged to get this completely untalented person into minor roles on BBC TV Shows, like Crimewatch reenactments for example....Im ranting now but class plays a huge part. Do you think a working class person living in a council flat in London, no matter what race, would get those kind of breaks in life?! Of course not! They would probably have to work twice as hard and be awarded with half as much.

All the above can make a person living in poverty feel hopeless, so what happens when society rejects them merely because they're seen a lesser person? They turn to crime, they turn to gangs. Poverty and class structure builds hopelessness, and in turn hopelessness breads criminality.

Equal opportunity is non-existent, it's all about who you know, and where you're from. We're far from the only country guilty of this, but it doesn't make it anymore acceptable imo. Equal opportunity should be afforded to all, no matter class, unfortunately it never has and probably never will. This applies to all races.

In a nutshell...