[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

No you are Wrong
it has caused the NHS to have a massive backlog.


China's Covid-19 has cost this nation Billions.
Fact.

It's not a fact, Arista, and stop pretending you don't know any better. We were told that the EU was costing us £350m/wk, so lets spend it on the nhs instead. We are no longer spending that £350m/wk, so where is the money?If we have a massive backlog, then that money is needed now more than ever, and they shouldn't be balancing the books by taking more money from the poor and older people.

[arista]

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[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not a fact, Arista, and stop pretending you don't know any better. We were told that the EU was costing us £350m/wk, so lets spend it on the nhs instead. We are no longer spending that £350m/wk, so where is the money?If we have a massive backlog, then that money is needed now more than ever, and they shouldn't be balancing the books by taking more money from the poor and older people.

Yes some time ago

Covid & Social Care
are the issue right now






NHS backlog caused by Covid

[arista]

National Insurance Increase of 1.25
confirmed

[arista]

National Insurance Increase of 1.25
confirmed

[arista]

[arista]

9:30AM agreed

[arista]

Labours Keir Starmer
is now talking.

[arista]

All change soon, granny

[The Slim Reaper]

What happens when the cost of care goes beyond £80k?

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Does Johnson really believe that by mumbling and bumbling coupled with talking rapidly, will just go over the heads of those listening.
So he doesn't get any real challenge to anything he's saying.

Although on this issue, I do believe Starmer was ill prepared today too.

This is quite worrying that the government, in order to bring social care to the forefront now,(my suspicious mind thinking to move the narrative from Afghanistan), that they may be using social care for that purpose.

[arista]

"I do believe Starmer was ill prepared today too"



Yes he was stuck
Johnson PM admits he has to break his promise.

[The Slim Reaper]

They found £37 billion to give to serco for test and trace, More billions for their PPE mates contracts, but now we need to start killing people all over again. It's not even a right v left issue, it's decency v cruelty.

[The Slim Reaper]

£200b on unnecessary nukes.

Boris still getting his £200m yacht.

[arista]

Perv Matt Hancock was speaking
Loads laughing at him


Live

[user104658]

The 1.25% rise - is that an extra 1.25% of gross income, or an extra 1.25% of current NI payments? Because let's say your current gross salary is £4000/month... your current monthly NI is (approx) £400/month, so if it's the former that's going to be an extra £50 a month on your NI, but if it's the latter it's going to be an extra £5.

I have to assume it's the former?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The 1.25% rise - is that an extra 1.25% of gross income, or an extra 1.25% of current NI payments? Because let's say your current gross salary is £4000/month... your current monthly NI is (approx) £400/month, so if it's the former that's going to be an extra £50 a month on your NI, but if it's the latter it's going to be an extra £5.

I have to assume it's the former?

Pretty helpful thread from a former tax lawyer

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The 1.25% rise - is that an extra 1.25% of gross income, or an extra 1.25% of current NI payments? Because let's say your current gross salary is £4000/month... your current monthly NI is (approx) £400/month, so if it's the former that's going to be an extra £50 a month on your NI, but if it's the latter it's going to be an extra £5.

I have to assume it's the former?

if you look at arista's headline above is £500 per year on 50k salary

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Pretty helpful thread from a former tax lawyer

Hmm, so definitely 1.25% on gross income then, although I find the claim of it affecting people on 10k/year a little overblown, though technically accurate, because of how NI scales at very low income you're talking about 50p/month, peaking as a percentage of income around £50k. So yeah the bulk of this tax burden is going to fall on middle incomes... a Tory tale as old as time.

Again I don't think it's a huge amount to pay IF it was genuinely going to create a world-class health and social care system AND it was hand-in-hand with ringfenced taxation of the ultra-wealthy (and damned online retail) but realistically, the taxes are going to go up and nothing is going to improve at all. We all know it.

[arista]

The Vote is tomorrow
so far, most of the Labour Party are against this.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

The Vote is tomorrow
so far, most of the Labour Party are against this.

But the vote is not public

How long you been watching mp some time there changes there mind last minute

Yes Green man you need to pay more more you get what you voted for

[arista]

Some sad SNP have called this a Poll Tax.


Of Course Scotland, is getting extra Money sent to them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

For instance... £70k + for a diversity and inclusion manager. I don't know another organisation more diverse or more inclusive.

Yup. A ridiculous amount to piss away on a pointless job.

There's no reason to assume extra money going to the NHS won't be wasted on dumb desk jobs, rather than things that matter.

Robbing people's income won't win any votes, and I wonder if such a horrible move would have been done closer to the next election. I hope people don't have such short memories.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Robbing people's income won't win any votes, and I wonder if such a horrible move would have been done closer to the next election. I hope people don't have such short memories.

It's an interesting one because it's actually one of the only things people do have a longer memory for - because they see that tax breakdown on their payslip every month.