[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Mystic Mock]

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

And as a result, I think it's created more grey area than there was beforehand.

no it hasnt

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

Okay, thanks for the info.

I'm going to have to slowly understand it all as a facts nerd.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Despite how it sounds, this law change isn't actually stating that trans women are men - it's saying that women only means women on matters relating to the Equality Act.

Things like woman-only shortlists, they won't be required to allow trans women in.

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

I don't think this needs pointing out at all, there are bad actors on both sides, and women know they can only rely on themselves when it boils down to it, there may be allies on both sides of course, but if the past few years of being called bigot, Terf etc has taught us anything it is that we have to protect ourselves, men are not ging to step up for us ....look at Starmer wittering on about cervixs, a disgrace

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Correct it's only stating that there must be a clear legal distinction between biological sex at birth and gender identity and that sex-based protections apply to biological sex. There already are (and may be more) protections for trans people separate to that. The legal distinction is hugely important for various reasons... and does not say "transwomen are men". Just that they're not biologically women. They're transwomen.

Like I said on the previous page though, OF COURSE the "anti-woke warriors" will also want to frame all of this as a victory "against the libs". As I always say, women have good reason to celebrate this, but don't forget that a huge number of the men celebrating it as not the friends or allies of women. They don't care about you, and many of them hold women in outright contempt, they're just using this issue because it fits another agenda. Messy stuff.

Yeah, unfortunately at the moment it feels like a mess for women coming from both "sides" for different reasons

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Out of interest.

What happens in the Bathroom/changing room situation where the Transwoman has had the full operation (Penis removed etc,) does she still not get the right to use the Bathroom?

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Be interesting to know people’s answers to this.

the answer is that you cannot change sex, its impossible to do so.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the answer is that you cannot change sex, its impossible to do so.

Yeah exactly the answer I knew you were gonna say.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yeah exactly the answer I knew you were gonna say.

This affects lesbians as well you know so its not very cut and dried for your community

[Crimson Dynamo]

Judges unanimously ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010
Equality Act referred to biological sex, not the gender with which a person
identifies.

The justices said that for the purpose of equality laws, transgender women
were not legally women, even if they have a gender recognition certificate.


They found that blurring the boundary of sex would also create “confusion
and impracticability” around the provision of “single sex characteristic
associations and charities, women’s fair participation in sport, the operation
of the public sector equality duty, and the Armed Forces”.

Judges also ruled that sex is binary, meaning the central tenet of gender
ideology – that there is a spectrum of gender identities – has no basis in law.

The ruling means that people who were born male can lawfully be excluded
from women’s sports, changing rooms, lavatories, women-only support
groups and women-only shortlists. The judgment will require a wholesale
rewriting of rules across the public and private sectors.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-court-ruling/

[Jessica.]

A woman gets murdered by her cis male partner every 2 days in the UK but "feminists" are putting their energy into fighting to take away the rights of trans women instead, you couldn't make it up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

A woman gets murdered by her cis male partner every 2 days in the UK but "feminists" are putting their energy into fighting to take away the rights of trans women instead, you couldn't make it up.

Murder is already illegal Jessica. But just fyi, feminists were the ones who set up all the domestic violence refuges for women

[arista]

Good
London Transport Male Officers can
Now search Tran men/women

[arista]

[arista]

A year back or so

[caprimint]

Finally. Thank ****ing god they're not pandering to this **** anymore

[arista]

David Tennant
actor needs to say sorry to the Conservative leader.

He got it very wrong.

Pointed out Live on GMBHD itv
with the great newspaper panel,
Ian Dale (LBC) and Caroline Flint (Former Labour Minister)

[Livia]

Police have visited people citing "hate speech" for saying online that a man cannot change sex and become a woman, something that is scientifically true. Now I hope the terms cisgendered, cis woman and TERF are treated in the same way. I am not a cis woman, I am a woman. I hope transwomen are very happy in the lives they have chosen, I bear them no ill-will, but they are not the same as me. And instead of demanding access to women only spaces, maybe they can campaign to have their own sports, refuges and support groups, just like women did.

This ruling appears to be far more impactful on transwomen than on transmen because they're making a lot of noise about it. But then it's always transwomen making the noise and the threats, never transmen. It was a transwoman who called for people to "punch a TERF in the face". Even coming up with the term TERF in the first place is quite the provocation, while being quite radical themselves. I mean, threats of rape, violence and bombing, pouring all kinds of liquid on women they disagree with... I've never heard of a feminist doing this stuff to transwomen. I've never heard of transmen doing it either, who seem to just want to get on with their chosen lives. Why have we not heard from transmen? Why are transmen not demanding access to men-only spaces and to men's sports and changing rooms? Is it because transwomen are biologically men and have grown up expecting to be listened to in a way women haven't?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Now I hope the terms cisgendered, cis woman and TERF are treated in the same way. I am not a cis woman, I am a woman.

Cis is a latin term, an adjective, that means "on this side of" or "on the same side as". It's the opposite of "trans-," which means "on the other side of". It was first used to refer to gender nonconformity in 1914. It's not an insult.

This might shed more light: Cis Is Not A Slur

[Glenn.]

Don’t bother mate. As they say themselves the easily offended cannot be appeased.