[Talulabelle]

Originally Posted by romeofahey

I can only imagine how Zelah felt in that moment. The fact that people are quick to empathise with Caroline over him is very telling

Can't we empathise with both for different reasons? I do.

[romeofahey]

Originally Posted by Talulabelle

Can't we empathise with both for different reasons? I do.

Sure, if that’s how you feel that means I wasn’t talking about you.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Caroline has just sealed her fate of being evicted next week.

Plus she’s buggered up a ton of after show work- who will want someone as a guest with her views in this day and age ?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Maru

Caroline has been making subtle digs for several episodes now that could've been interpreted as innocent. It's finally this one that got through the filter

Exactly


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[Conzors]

I’m sick of the excuse she grew up in a world where transgender wasn’t a thing blablabla

People quickly adapt and get used to things. She was offensive. Do I think she regrets it and is apologetic though? Yes. I don’t think she’s nasty I just think she needs to be more open and ask questions in a better way.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Swan

When you constantly remind people you used to be a female, it must be hard to differentiate at times.

I accept Zelah as a man, from day one, i see him as a man. But being reminded daily he used to live as a woman, and be a woman, it's hard not to see it. Idk.

It wasn't that bad because it wasn't malicious.

Just wanna say, fck this current BB, obsessed with politics and gender, boring af.

And I hope you do see Zelah as a bloke… because he is? Lol

That’s like saying under Tate as a bloke. You haven’t known them as anything else.

[OnTheRight]

Originally Posted by Conzors

… because he is? Lol

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I’m sick of the excuse she grew up in a world where transgender wasn’t a thing blablabla

People quickly adapt and get used to things. She was offensive. Do I think she regrets it and is apologetic though? Yes. I don’t think she’s nasty I just think she needs to be more open and ask questions in a better way.

I agree to an extent. Getting used to something is very different than suddenly changing one's entire worldview, though. She's a verbal firehose at times and it finally caught up with her. If she wanted to have that direct conversation with Zelah, there were better ways to have done it...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Conzors

And I hope you do see Zelah as a bloke… because he is? Lol

That’s like saying under Tate as a bloke. You haven’t known them as anything else.

Tate is a man?

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Maru

I agree to an extent. Getting used to something is very different than suddenly changing one's entire worldview, though. She's a verbal firehose at times and it finally caught up with her. If she wanted to have that direct conversation with Zelah, there were better ways to have done it...

Exactly, a game of spin the bottle in front of the whole house is not it

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Tate is a man?

Yes exactly this is my point.

So is Zelah.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Yes exactly this is my point.

So is Zelah.

zelah is a trans man, his biology is that of a woman. There is no way to change that no matter how much word salad you throw at it

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Swan

When you constantly remind people you used to be a female, it must be hard to differentiate at times.

I accept Zelah as a man, from day one, i see him as a man. But being reminded daily he used to live as a woman, and be a woman, it's hard not to see it. Idk.

It wasn't that bad because it wasn't malicious.

Just wanna say, fck this current BB, obsessed with politics and gender, boring af.

This.

BB seems to have forgotten that viewers want to watch Housemates have depth to them.

Surely BB knows what the word depth means?

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by bots

zelah is a trans man, his biology is that of a woman. There is no way to change that no matter how much word salad you throw at it

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He’s just telling his story. Much needed in today’s climate.

People being openly transphobic without fear of consequence shows how far we have fallen.

We don't have freedom of speech in this country if there's fear of consequence imo.

And I honestly don't have an issue with Zelah talking about being Transgender in itself (why wouldn't he talk about it tbf?) I'm personally more bothered that by the fact that BB seems to believe that Zelah being Transgender is a personality trait and can't be arsed to let him be a normal Housemate.

Kinda like Strictly last year when they wouldn't let Chris just be a normal contestant.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what ....no one is related in the house, how would it be inbred

I think Glenn's implying that they're all Aston Villa fans.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its funny that labelling someone as an Incel with no evidence is taken as the norm

I mean George did nominate Elsa, and the blondes are the prettiest out of the girls this series... Somehow.

And going by certain things that he has said, I can see why people would speculate on him being an Incel.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Conzors

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

but he is telling everyone who will listen that he is trans, we have seen it for more than a week already

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Yes exactly this is my point.

So is Zelah.

You may be ok lying to yourself, others are not.

[Oliver_W]

Okay first off men can cry too, and there's nothing unmanly about emotions ...

BUT

It did amuse me that Zelah said he was thick-skinned etc, when he went crying to the DR and spent the rest of the night being comforted.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Beso

You may be ok lying to yourself, others are not.

Jesus

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by bots

but he is telling everyone who will listen that he is trans, we have seen it for more than a week already

How? Has he has told a handful of people and the other told everyone else lol you’re deluded

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Conzors

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

The X and Y chromosomes dictate it. He's a trans man, you can't ask people to pretend he's a biological man to make him feel better.

[Gusto Brunt]

That old woman shouldn't be in there. She's an immature idiot.

If she's not playing playground 'jokes' and saying who loves who, she's insulting people.

It made me angry when she called him a girl. :man:

Insensitive ignorant idiot.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Conzors

How? Has he has told a handful of people and the other told everyone else lol you’re deluded

Actually, he said he wasn't in there on a crusade to talk about trans constantly. And he's talked of little else.

I don't dislike him. I wish him well in his life but I won't lie to please him.