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Conzors · 08-10-2025, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Tate is a man?

Yes exactly this is my point.

So is Zelah.

bots · 08-10-2025, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

Yes exactly this is my point.

So is Zelah.

zelah is a trans man, his biology is that of a woman. There is no way to change that no matter how much word salad you throw at it

Conzors · 08-10-2025, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bots

zelah is a trans man, his biology is that of a woman. There is no way to change that no matter how much word salad you throw at it

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

bots · 08-10-2025, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

but he is telling everyone who will listen that he is trans, we have seen it for more than a week already

Conzors · 08-10-2025, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bots

but he is telling everyone who will listen that he is trans, we have seen it for more than a week already

How? Has he has told a handful of people and the other told everyone else lol you’re deluded

Livia · 08-10-2025, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

How? Has he has told a handful of people and the other told everyone else lol you’re deluded

Actually, he said he wasn't in there on a crusade to talk about trans constantly. And he's talked of little else.

I don't dislike him. I wish him well in his life but I won't lie to please him.

Good King Glennceslas · 08-10-2025, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Actually, he said he wasn't in there on a crusade to talk about trans constantly. And he's talked of little else.

I don't dislike him. I wish him well in his life but I won't lie to please him.

He hasn’t asked you to. And chances are, will never ask you to. You’re unlikely to cross paths with any trans people in your lifetime.

They want to live their lives in peace.

Livia · 08-10-2025, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

They are both men. We as non trans people do not get a dictate that. If you didn’t know Zelah was trans you’d call him a man without question.

The X and Y chromosomes dictate it. He's a trans man, you can't ask people to pretend he's a biological man to make him feel better.

Conzors · 08-10-2025, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

The X and Y chromosomes dictate it. He's a trans man, you can't ask people to pretend he's a biological man to make him feel better.

Nobody is asking him to pretend he’s a biological man. But he’s a man, since when does anyone care about the biology of a human? Saying ‘I see Zelah as a man’ is a ridic thing to say as who wouldn’t see him as a man any less so that Tate or Marcus?

This is the argument. Nobody is doubting biology, but what people are doubting is the fact he is a man when if he didn’t tell anyone he was trans, it’s most likely nobody would know and you and I wouldn’t be having this convo cos that’s how irrelevant it is to someone’s gender?

Livia · 08-10-2025, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

Nobody is asking him to pretend he’s a biological man. But he’s a man, since when does anyone care about the biology of a human? Saying ‘I see Zelah as a man’ is a ridic thing to say as who wouldn’t see him as a man any less so that Tate or Marcus?

This is the argument. Nobody is doubting biology, but what people are doubting is the fact he is a man when if he didn’t tell anyone he was trans, it’s most likely nobody would know and you and I wouldn’t be having this convo cos that’s how irrelevant it is to someone’s gender?

No one can change sex, that's a fact. It's biology over ideology. I hope he lives his life and is happy. I'm happy to refer to him as "he". But you can't make me believe he's actually changed sex. He hasn't. Biologically, he will always be a woman.

Conzors · 08-10-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

No one can change sex, that's a fact. It's biology over ideology. I hope he lives his life and is happy. I'm happy to refer to him as "he". But you can't make me believe he's actually changed sex. He hasn't. Biologically, he will always be a woman.

He has changed gender.
And why does it matter to you? Why are you so pressed by this that you will always think of his biology when thinking about him? Do you think about non-trans peoples biologies?

Zizu · 08-10-2025, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

No one can change sex, that's a fact. It's biology over ideology. I hope he lives his life and is happy. I'm happy to refer to him as "he". But you can't make me believe he's actually changed sex. He hasn't. Biologically, he will always be a woman.

We must all process things differently ..

I know Zelah’s back ( and front) story but I can only see him as a guy because he looks , sounds and behaves so much like a guy .

Maybe it’s my poor imagination … I just see what I see ..

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Merry Mockmas · 10-10-2025, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Conzors

Nobody is asking him to pretend he’s a biological man. But he’s a man, since when does anyone care about the biology of a human? Saying ‘I see Zelah as a man’ is a ridic thing to say as who wouldn’t see him as a man any less so that Tate or Marcus?

This is the argument. Nobody is doubting biology, but what people are doubting is the fact he is a man when if he didn’t tell anyone he was trans, it’s most likely nobody would know and you and I wouldn’t be having this convo cos that’s how irrelevant it is to someone’s gender?

I do agree with you personally.

The only time Biology matters imo is to do with Sports, especially Martial Arts.

Edit.... Just to clarify, other issues on this topic I feel a bit mixed on tbh, so I would support whatever the majority of women feel on those other topics tbh.