[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

By handing over the Ł21m he admitted guilt IMO

This has already been explained,but nevermind.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This has already been explained,but nevermind.

I remember someone said his lawyer( I think it was lawyer) advised him to pay up, but IF he were innocent he would have fought it out in a court of law and eradicated the doubt of guilt that hung over his head since he did it

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Elvis, he met Priscilla when she was 14, in Germany and likely something happened.
However it was early 60s when she was around 17 she went to see him in the States.
Then she was 22 when they married in 1967.
She was born I believe in 1945.

As to the Clinton case, there was evidence, that's the point.

With MJ, there is no real evidence, yet this pair say they were molested over 100 times.
I come back to the trial again.
No evidence other than words.

If you are going to make accusations as was done, anyone could easily have acquired evidence to stand up in court.
None ever was.
MJ faced 10 counts and 4 minor ones.
He was found not guilty on all 14 charges.
All of them.

That was also the outcome despite the permitting of including in the trial,the raising of the 1993 allegations too.
Which MJ totally refuted too.

I am repeating myself here, likely to deaf selectively ears but those are solid facts.
Facts borne out of only worded accusations but with nothing of substance whatsoever as to evidence.
All through a very personally invasive investigation of MJ personally and his premises, clothing and belongings.
Then a very high profile trial too.

It's mystifying it seems why I, Kazanne, Goldheart and others look at those facts a lot on this issue.

Honestly, it's both mystifying and worrying to me as to real justice, that others just blatantly dismiss those facts.

[Nicky91]

whole day long they are playing michael jackson music here at our omroep brabant radio channel

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

whole day long they are playing michael jackson music here at our omroep brabant radio channel

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

in the north of my country they have banned his music, luckily we aren't moaners here in the south

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

It's good but now I'm thinking it's a set up as the royalties roll in ie more money for liar & liar to sue the estate for .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's good but now I'm thinking it's a set up as the royalties roll in ie more money for liar & liar to sue the estate for .

You cannot prove they are lying...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You cannot prove they are lying...

Well you nor it seems this pair can prove MJ did abuse them.
They can only say the words, not prove them.

Furthermore, they saw how it could be dealt with in 2005.
When Jackson was prosecuted.

They did and said nothing but deny firmly and extensively abuse had ever happened to them.

It's just words now from them too.

[Nicky91]

if this was when MJ was still alive i would've had different thoughts, then they could've punished him for his actions but now they can't, so it has no point now

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if this was when MJ was still alive i would've had different thoughts, then they could've punished him for his actions but now they can't, so it has no point now

Everyone has the right to tell the truth whether the abuser is alive or dead...

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Everyone has the right to tell the truth whether the abuser is alive or dead...

Indeed, hate this idea that just because he's dead he should get a free pass

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Indeed, hate this idea that just because he's dead he should get a free pass

Or too much time has passed or whatever. How long is too long? Victims should be able to come out whenever they feel ready and maybe some child abuse victim only feels ready when their abuser is dead?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Or too much time has passed or whatever. How long is too long? Victims should be able to come out whenever they feel ready and maybe some child abuse victim only feels ready when their abuser is dead?

Exactly.....many abused as children/youths and young adults are now telling their stories because at the time they didn’t know how to deal with it.
It’s so sad.

[Northern Monkey]

48 pages deep and probably no one is still any the wiser.

I think this is one case where nobody will ever know the truth.
Give up guys

[Withano]

Obvious pedo. Expensive lawyers and little evidence doesn’t change his inner-self. Up to each person if they want to separate the man and the music or not, I have. He has some bangers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Intriguingly, she (Lisa Presley) has spoken often about the Jackson who existed behind closed doors, explaining that his voice and personality were vastly different to what he presented to the public. “Not a lot of people know who he really is,” she told Diane Sawyer in 2003.

“He doesn’t let anybody see it. And he has some idea about how he should represent himself in the public that he thinks works for him, which is the sort of meek, victim-y, quiet thing that he does, which is not like how he really is. He doesn’t let a lot of people see that. When he wants to lock into you, or intrigue you, or capture you, or, you know, whatever he wants to do with you, he can do it.”

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[Crimson Dynamo]

It remains a mystery why quite so many people are fighting to protect the legacy of a man who admitted to sharing his bed with numerous young boys and had an unusual fixation on befriending them (including lavishing them with expensive gifts and taking part in private telephone conversations that often lasted hours at at time). But it does speak to Leaving Neverland's biggest challenge - convincing many of Jackson’s guilt.

While the general public has been quick to “cancel” the likes of Kevin Spacey, R Kelly and Harvey Weinstein, all of whom have been accused of serious sexual misconduct (denied by all three) and experienced legal blowback in the post-#MeToo climate, there remains something untouchable about Michael Jackson.

His hold on a large swathe of society seems undiminished, despite the horrifying allegations in Reed’s film, and his undeniably odd personal history.

While several radio stations around the world have pulled Jackson’s music in the wake of Leaving Neverland, it remains to be seen whether it’s just the first step in a widespread condemnation of everything Jackson represented, or the miniscule full extent of a Jackson backlash.

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[bots]

No serious percentage of todays music buying public will purchase Elvis Presley music today, it's no longer relevant to the majority. In 20 or 30 years time, no one will buy Jacksons music either. In 30 years he will be more remembered for being a perv

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No serious percentage of todays music buying public will purchase Elvis Presley music today, it's no longer relevant to the majority. In 20 or 30 years time, no one will buy Jacksons music either. In 30 years he will be more remembered for being a perv

Multi millions around the whole world will still be playing, requesting and enjoying their music however.
As they have the last near 50 years for MJ and near 65 years for Elvis.

Both can hardly make 'new' recordings now but very few artistes can claim, in any shape or form, the success of these 2 as to the history of pop music.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It remains a mystery why quite so many people are fighting to protect the legacy of a man who admitted to sharing his bed with numerous young boys and had an unusual fixation on befriending them (including lavishing them with expensive gifts and taking part in private telephone conversations that often lasted hours at at time). But it does speak to Leaving Neverland's biggest challenge - convincing many of Jackson’s guilt.

While the general public has been quick to “cancel” the likes of Kevin Spacey, R Kelly and Harvey Weinstein, all of whom have been accused of serious sexual misconduct (denied by all three) and experienced legal blowback in the post-#MeToo climate, there remains something untouchable about Michael Jackson.

His hold on a large swathe of society seems undiminished, despite the horrifying allegations in Reed’s film, and his undeniably odd personal history.

While several radio stations around the world have pulled Jackson’s music in the wake of Leaving Neverland, it remains to be seen whether it’s just the first step in a widespread condemnation of everything Jackson represented, or the miniscule full extent of a Jackson backlash.

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Yeah. This is the part I can't get passed or understand how anyone could get passed this piece on information. It's bizarre that people are trying to justify that.

In relation to the other post, I remember David Gest saying that about MJ before that, his "real" voice was much deeper, totally different to what he presented to the public

[Ramsay]

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

Did they match it with the ring in the documentary ? ,and trace it back to MJ? .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Youtube video

Shopping for a wedding ring, with a little kid in tow, in Simi valley California where Jimmy from the documentary is from, who said he kept the wedding ring MJ gave him...

But it's perfectly normal for adult men reliving their childhoods cos they didn't have one to go buy wedding rings for little boys

[GoldHeart]

Why has this "footage" only just emerged ?? . Has it actually been traced back to MJ ??