[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said it was. obviously they killed ******* and disableds and gays etc....

but people do describe anti-semitism as "racism" in the media and general culture quite regularly.

*******? Really? And lets not forget Gypsies, Poles, Russians, ethnic minorities etc. etc.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Snowball

You really are embarrassing yourself now.

ok, well you can dismiss me as much as you like. It doesn't bother me. I'm used to being dismissed. Unlike you, i don't buy into media stereotypes. It must make you very uncomfortable having to explain or even acknowledge your prejudices. I understand.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was certainly in jest, Scott being white and with his well known obsession with black women which I don't really get but each to their own.. having seen some of Grimnir's other posts in this section I have my doubts as to whether he was merely trying to provoke a reaction, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he meant every word. It was reminiscent of some 19th century attitude where people thought it was the white mans duty to "civilise" the heathens in Africa, and he was rebuffed for his post in the same way that the guy in this video was for his idea of exterminating white people.

Then surely such a comment does not belong in a Serious Debate - if it's all in jest?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

*******? Really? And lets not forget Gypsies, Poles, Russians, ethnic minorities etc. etc.

the list goes on.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

how many classifications do you think is fair?

More than what the US has for sure.

If anyone has some kind of known African ancestry they are labeled as black.



Like seriously how is that guy BLACK? Because his great great grand father was black?

How is President Obama black, when his mother was white?

And the whole classifying people in one group because they come from a country that speaks Spanish. Is one of the most dumbest things I've ever heard in my life.




Like how in the world are those 3 people in the same group? Because they come from a Spanish speaking country?

The US needs to get rid of the whole Hispanic classification.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ok, well you can dismiss me as much as you like. It doesn't bother me. I'm used to being dismissed. Unlike you, i don't buy into media stereotypes. It must make you very uncomfortable having to explain or even acknowledge your prejudices. I understand.

I didn't dismiss you. I said you were embarrassing yourself.

You have no idea what I buy into, nor of my prejudices - if I have any, what they may be etc if at all..

I do however have a view on how some countrymen do their country a lot of injustice though, by displaying the characteristics which the very worst stereotypes are infamous for.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

More than what the US has for sure.

If anyone has some kind of known African ancestry they are labeled as black.

The US doesn't label them. they label themselves. All of those epople you just listed, i bet you can find plenty of white people that will point out their white ancestry. That was certainly an issue during the 2008 election. PLenty of epople pointed out that Barack Oabama is not only half black, but his half black side didn't even have any connection to black americans. He has no ancestry connec ted to black slavery at all, but the media tried to paint him as the "first black president"

Again, you have proven my point.

And in terms of how stupid it is that LAtino's try to segragate themselves as a separate race, i totally agree. there is no such thing as a "latino" race. there are people's of latin america of every colour creed and religion, so to try to identify as "latino" is ridiculous. you won't find an argument from me.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, and so do most Americans... so how is it "racist" if an American hates a Mexican??? how is it racist if both are the same "race"?

Again, because most Americans are ignorant.

In the US you'll hear that Hispanic is a race. Jamaican is a race. Puerto Rican is a race. Domincans is a race etc.

My conclusion. Americans are ignorant.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The US doesn't label them. they label themselves. All of those epople you just listed, i bet you can find plenty of white people that will point out their white ancestry. That was certainly an issue during the 2008 election. PLenty of epople pointed out that Barack Oabama is not only half black, but his half black side didn't even have any connection to black americans. He has no ancestry connec ted to black slavery at all, but the media tried to paint him as the "first black president"

Again, you have proven my point.

And you have proven my point that Americans are ignorant.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Again, because most Americans are ignorant.

In the US you'll hear that Hispanic is a race. Jamaican is a race. Puerto Rican is a race. Domincans is a race etc.

My conclusion. Americans are ignorant.

American's are ignorant ,?? you must be joking. zfunny how i've never heard any American president talk about "spics" but i've heard plenty of latin american leaders talk about "gringos" so you need to correct yourself.

OIt's the Latino's that are segregating themselves, not American's forcing it on them.

Now who's looking ignorant?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Again, because most Americans are ignorant.

In the US you'll hear that Hispanic is a race. Jamaican is a race. Puerto Rican is a race. Domincans is a race etc.

My conclusion. Americans are ignorant.

so clarify this for me, is this a RACIST statement, or not?? lol

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so clarify this for me, is this a RACIST statement, or not?? lol

American is a race now?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

American is a race now?

well if "mexican" or "puerto rican" is than so is "American". no???

or are you just deciding to abandon all logic??

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The US doesn't label them. they label themselves. All of those epople you just listed, i bet you can find plenty of white people that will point out their white ancestry. That was certainly an issue during the 2008 election. PLenty of epople pointed out that Barack Oabama is not only half black, but his half black side didn't even have any connection to black americans. He has no ancestry connec ted to black slavery at all, but the media tried to paint him as the "first black president"

Again, you have proven my point.

The US doesn't label them..... the media tried to paint him as the first black president.

Make up your mind.

Going on your statement above regarding the various ethnic background / connections in Obama's genepool - why then were so many Americans themselves going absolutely mental about a man they describe as a black man becoming their president (and as I saw on several documentaries: not least one with Jamie Oliver in it) - unbelievably referring to Obama as a n*gger.

Their comments were nothing to do with his political suitablity - it was based on his genepool and skin colour.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

American's are ignorant ,?? you must be joking. zfunny how i've never heard any American president talk about "spics" but i've heard plenty of latin american leaders talk about "gringos" so you need to correct yourself.

OIt's the Latino's that are segregating themselves, not American's forcing it on them.

Now who's looking ignorant?

If the US had never put Hispanic on the census. Y'all wouldn't be having that problem.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well if "mexican" or "puerto rican" is than so is "American". no???

or are you just deciding to abandon all logic??

If it works for you lostalex..... we may as well have a go.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

If the US had never put Hispanic on the census. Y'all wouldn't be having that problem.

The only reason it's on the census is because the LATINO LOBBY bully's forced them to put it on there. It's the LAtino's groups that want to segregate themselves, not the US government.

Educate yourself.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well if "mexican" or "puerto rican" is than so is "American". no???

or are you just deciding to abandon all logic??

I swear to God you are so annoying.

When in the hell did I say Mexican and Puerto Rican are races?

A Puerto Rican is someone from Puerto Rico. Its a NATIONALITY.

There are white Ricans, black Ricans etc.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Snowball

If it works for you lostalex..... we may as well have a go.

once again, you make no sense but it sounds good, so just go with it dude. lol. This is a reality TV show forum, so i don't expect to be dealing with intellectual equals. I guess that's part of the fun.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I swear to God you are so annoying.

When in the hell did I say Mexican and Puerto Rican are races?

A Puerto Rican is someone from Puerto Rico. Its a NATIONALITY.

There are white Ricans, black Ricans etc.

Then why are you arguing with me? I made that point 40 minutes ago. so are you just arguing for the sake of arguments sake??

You are AGREEING with me then.

Please quote me when i ever said "hispanic" or "latino" was a race. You're the one saying that it is. and if Hispanic or "latino" is a race, than so is "American"

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

once again, you make no sense but it sounds good, so just go with it dude. lol. This is a reality TV show forum, so i don't expect to be dealing with intellectual equals. I guess that's part of the fun.

Just as well for you, seeing as most of us on this side of the pond managed to actually evolve.

Some on the other side of the pond weren't so fortunate.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The only reason it's on the census is because the LATINO LOBBY bully's forced them to put it on there. It's the LAtino's groups that want to segregate themselves, not the US government.

Educate yourself.

Its Americans that started calling them Latinos and Hispanics. They didn't come up with that classification themselves. IIRC y'all used to call them "Spanish people". Never mind that Spanish people are actually people from Spain.

Its not the first time y'all used someones else's name to refer to another group of people. Like calling the Native Americans, Indians. Its crazy that y'all still continue to do that. When Christopher Columbus went to the Americas, he thought he reached India. So he called the Native people Indians, but its been hundreds of years since that. Everyone knows that it was a mistake. So why are you people still calling them Indians? Indians are people from India.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Its Americans that started calling them Latinos and Hispanics. They didn't come up with that classification themselves. IIRC y'all used to call them "Spanish people". Never mind that Spanish people are actually people from Spain.

Its not the first time y'all used someones else's name to refer to another group of people. Like calling the Native Americans, Indians. Its crazy that y'all still continue to do that. When Christopher Columbus went to Americas, he thought he reached India. So he called the Native people Indians, but its been hundreds of years since that. Everyone knows that it was a mistake. So why are you people still calling them Indians? Indians are people from India.

you're an idiot. indians as refered to about native americans aplied to canada and mexico and all parts of the America's.. and AMERICANS didn't invent the word "indian's" for the natives, EUROPEANS did, so wtf are you taliing about??

I love how America get's the blame for the death of natives, and slavery, when it was EUROPEANS that did it, not Americans. Follow the money.

You really are so uneducated and ill-informed. It's pointless to talk to you if you don't even know the basics of history.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you're an idiot. indians as refered to about native americans aplied to canada and mexico and all parts of the America's.. and AMERICANS didn't invent the word "indian's" for the natives, EUROPEANS did, so wtf are you taliing about??

I love how America get's the blame for the death of natives, and slavery, when it was EUROPEANS that did it, not Americans. Follow the money.

You really are so uneducated and ill-informed. It's pointless to talk to you if you don't even know the basics of history.

So you are telling me Americans don't call them Indians? I know the Europeans started it, but its the Americans that continued the thread. In Canada, Caribbean and in Mexico they don't call them that anymore.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you're an idiot. indians as refered to about native americans aplied to canada and mexico and all parts of the America's.. and AMERICANS didn't invent the word "indian's" for the natives, EUROPEANS did, so wtf are you taliing about??

I love how America get's the blame for the death of natives, and slavery, when it was EUROPEANS that did it, not Americans. Follow the money.

You really are so uneducated and ill-informed. It's pointless to talk to you if you don't even know the basics of history.

Now what was that you mentioned earlier lostalex, about intellectual equals, and now you are going on about people being so 'uneducated'.

As for the basics on history, I think you've shown time and time again, that you actually know very little on that subject matter.