[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The basis of it is if he came on and said his intentions weren't to hurt anyone and he accepts he went too far then fair enough.

But I can't accept the blame game where he listed every external factor he could (food, drink, the room, the house, Hazel etc) for what he did.

Regardless of the assault though I detest the insinuation that Hazel takes ANY blame for his cheating. That's not 50/50, that's 100% on him that HE cheated.

Going with someone else's boyfriend is 100% on Hazel, but the decision by Daley himself to treat his girlfriend the way he did by instigating a relationship with her is all on him.

Exactly.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

The basis of it is if he came on and said his intentions weren't to hurt anyone and he accepts he went too far then fair enough.

But I can't accept the blame game where he listed every external factor he could (food, drink, the room, the house, Hazel etc) for what he did.

Regardless of the assault though I detest the insinuation that Hazel takes ANY blame for his cheating. That's not 50/50, that's 100% on him that HE cheated.

Going with someone else's boyfriend is 100% on Hazel, but the decision by Daley himself to treat his girlfriend the way he did by instigating a relationship with her is all on him.

HEAR HEAR

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

So Daley is more or less saying that Hazel was asking for it? And shame on Emma for agreeing. No matter what Hazel has done (and I'm no fan of hers) no woman deserves to be grabbed round the throat, pinned to the bed and threatened with violence. And now he's full of BS about how "the house" made him cheat on his Gf.
He's a disgrace and they shouldn't give such a misogynistic bully air time.

I absolutely agree. He said he was sorry if what happened offended WOMEN out there. Not a **** about Hazel.
Hazel on tonights highlights show: I hope Daley will be ok. He's not a bad person and I hope he will be ok outside the house
Daley on BBBOTS : I will let the people make up their own mind about Hazel. I am sorry if what I did offended women as I would never hurt a woman like that!!!!
**** off Daley. And shame on Katie for sticking by him or accompanying him tonight. She made it very clear the night she was on that she was going to leave and start again with her child. Is she condoning his behaviour? Because no way would I stand by someone who acted in this way

[joeysteele]

I have been pretty irritated at the way Hazel was always seeking him out,no matter where he was and really doing a fair bit more than just flirting with him.
She sadly, in my view, gave the indication that if he wanted her, he could have her,at certain points.
She did even once say to him she was really frustrated in the house.

From his angle,I have been more irritated at his lack of full respect and consideration for his girlfriend outside, Daley was the person in a relationship and he should have said from the start to Hazel that he was a no go area, if that is how he actually at that time saw himself to be.

I also was irritated at BB too, for when they did the pairings to ever set out to manipulate the situation and set them up as a pair for the safe house and to be totally alone at times.

From there though, Daley's behaviour on the night in question was way out of order, it is true Hazel began the 'playfighting' but it was Daley who turned really sinister and nasty and yes, threatening.
Dan for instance got a warning for just saying he would like to punch Callum to another housemate.
Daley actually took hold of Hazel and threatened her directly,with his hands on her, not once but at least twice, 'I will finish you' and 'nut you' being the offensive terminology used by him.
That is where he was totally wrong and Hazel being the clear victim in that.

In his interview with Emma tonight, he did harp on about the drink a bit but all he had to do was not drink. It is that simple.
If he wasn't a regular drinker then he already had that control so just leave it be.
My guess is Emma's interview will have had guidelines from BB as to it but I did think he got a very easy ride on bbbots.

This is in part, the very reason women who get abused or attacked, do not always come forward as to it,because some think they were likely asking for it or provoked it.
No way did Daley need to get that angry or threatening over a bed cover,it is very worrying that he could in fact.

It is right he is out the house now, maybe with all his emotional problems he should naever have been in it.
While it certainly can be said that they were both 50/50 to blame for the relationship building up in the first place, it is Daley who is 100% to blame for the rather ugly scenes we saw last night, that was down to him and him alone in my view.

I feel Hazel got a bit of a raw deal from Emma and the others on bbbots tonight.
Disappointing interview really for me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have been pretty irritated at the way Hazel was always seeking him out,no matter where he was and really doing a fair bit more than just flirting with him.
She sadly, in my view, gave the indication that if he wanted her, he could have her,at certain points.
She did even once say to him she was really frustrated in the house.

From his angle,I have been more irritated at his lack of full respect and consideration for his girlfriend outside, Daley was the person in a relationship and he should have said from the start to Hazel that he was a no go area, if that is how he actually at that time saw himself to be.

I also was irritated at BB too, for when they did the pairings to ever set out to manipulate the situation and set them up as a pair for the safe house and to be totally alone at times.

From there though, Daley's behaviour on the night in question was way out of order, it is true Hazel began the 'playfighting' but it was Daley who turned really sinister and nasty and yes, threatening.
Dan for instance got a warning for just saying he would like to punch Callum to another housemate.
Daley actually took hold of Hazel and threatened her directly,with his hands on her, not once but at least twice, 'I will finish you' and 'nut you' being the offensive terminology used by him.
That is where he was totally wrong and Hazel being the clear victim in that.

In his interview with Emma tonight, he did harp on about the drink a bit but all he had to do was not drink. It is that simple.
If he wasn't a regular drinker then he already had that control so just leave it be.
My guess is Emma's interview will have had guidelines from BB as to it but I did think he got a very easy ride on bbbots.

This is in part, the very reason women who get abused or attacked, do not always come forward as to it,because some think they were likely asking for it or provoked it.
No way did Daley need to get that angry or threatening over a bed cover,it is very worrying that he could in fact.

It is right he is out the house now, maybe with all his emotional problems he should naever have been in it.
While it certainly can be said that they were both 50/50 to blame for the relationship building up in the first place, it is Daley who is 100% to blame for the rather ugly scenes we saw last night, that was down to him and him alone in my view.

I feel Hazel got a bit of a raw deal from Emma and the others on bbbots tonight.
Disappointing interview really for me.

Great post Joey, spot on

[mr rochester]

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because he has issues that need to be addressed...

Yes I agree he has issues...having issues does not excuse someone for being able to make appropriate judgement calls or indeed taking responsibility for one's actions.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by mr rochester

Why does he have to ask someone else if he is crossing a line? Why doesn't he KNOW himself?

Cos he's a bit of a nutter?

[arney]

Who was scripted most? Emma or Daley?

Anyone noticed Daley's eyes....? trying to remember what he was told to say.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think we are seeing the effect of all the hatred directed towards Hazel when she was seen as the homewrecker.

You can't expect people to do an instant u-turn. There will be a feeling that she got her come uppance. She didnt get hurt but had a fright.

[smudgie]

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

I completely agree...I said earlier on another thread that Emma was placing herself in a potential career-limiting situation by doing this interview. She has not acquitted herself well and this will be remembered...

[Amy Jade]

Emma was horrible, she literally tried to heap the blame on to Hazel at every opportunity.

She's gone right down in my opinion after this.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The thing is, Daley will come out a winner, big money for his story.
It is Emma that will be remembered for her diabolical interview.

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Who knows how Emma is seen?

Just as many people may think she did an excellent job in tricky circumstances, especially if she was constrained for legal reasons.

I'm not quite sure why he was even given the interview in the first place tbh, I mean has an ejected HM ever gotten an interview before? Maybe they have and I've just forgotten but I don't recall any. I mean at the end of the day BOTS is a Big Brother show and BB decided that Daleys behaviour warranted his expulsion from the house and Hazels did not but still, Emma, who is BB's representative, seemed to be saying that maybe Hazel should have been kicked out as well and that it was both their faults

[smeagol]

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by smeagol

emma to daily in no way was this all your fault

jesus emma lost all respect for her now . bbots has become a joke getting kaite on now this does emma know katie she acts like they best friends n daley

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Seems to me that Emma was pointing out the facts and for that she has gone up in my estimation as a brilliant presenter and interviewer.

lol yeah condoning violence and threats she is wonderful. amzing job not biased at all.

id sack her

[Kulafey]

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,

oh look we have an OFCOM complainer in our midst

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Kulafey

I would urge people who are disgusted by the whole thing to complain to Channel 5 on customerservices@channel5.com
I have just sent them this email:

Dear Sir/Madam,
I wish to complain about the interview with Daley Ojuederie conducted by Emma Willis on tonight's show (broadcast 16/07/13), in relation to Mr Ojuederie's aggressive and abusive attack on fellow housemate Hazel O'Sullivan and subsequent removal from the house.
Throughout the interview Ms Willis repeatedly offered platitudes to Mr Ojuederie, suggesting that he was not entirely to blame for the assault and that Ms O'Sullivan was also to blame. Ms Willis repeatedly said "It takes two to tango" suggesting equal blame on the part of Ms O'Sullivan and later said to Mr Ojuederie "There is no way you are entirely to blame for this". She also asked Mr Ojuederie his opinion on Ms O'Sullivan, suggesting that Ms O'Sullivan had in some way treated him badly.
I found the whole interview distasteful. This man, a trained boxer, put his hands around Ms O'Sullivan's throat, before pushing her down and pinning her to the bed by her arms and then threatened to "finish her" and to "nut her one". To offer the merest hint that Ms O'Sullivan was in any way to blame for any aspect of this attack is disgraceful and I am shocked and appalled at Channel 5 and Miss Willis for not only allowing a violent abuser a platform to make his excuses from, but to be complicit in those excuses.
I would suggest that Ms Willis and Channel 5 are out of touch with the realities of violent crime against women and of their viewers feelings on such matters. Indeed, many viewers in the online forum community are calling for Ms Willis' dismissal. At the very least, an apology should be made by Ms Willis for her behaviour during this interview and by Channel 5 for not only giving Mr Ojuederie a platform from which to place blame elsewhere, but for allowing the interview to be conducted in such a disgraceful manner.

Yours sincerely,

I complained to Ofcom about drama queens like you cluttering up my internets, but they ignored me.

Jesus Christ. The 'disgusted, from Chichester' Daily Mail brigade that this show brings out of the woodwork are the most annoying part of it.

She's married, by the way. It's Mrs Willis.

[Kulafey]

The real problem I have with people's replies here is that they are making moral judgements about Hazel and using that to justify Daley's assault on her. Hazel is a single woman. Its maybe not "nice" of her to make a play for a man who is involved with someone else, but it is not immoral on her part - she has made no promises to another person, she is single and free to do what she pleases, the fault for cheating is Daley's. But even if we agreed that Hazel alone was to blame for the ongoing flirting and sexual tension, even if she did exert her "sexual power" over Daley, that does not mean that she therefore somehow "deserves" an abusive attack. Saying Hazel "deserved it" or that her "behavior" was bad, or that she "knew what she was doing" or that she "led him on" or that Daley just "let things get out of hand" sounds scarily like the excuses given every day by abusive men, by rapists. Those sort of comments allow men like this to excuse their own behaviour - much along the lines that Daley did tonight - "I'm sorry, but...."
Maybe Hazel does have lax morals, maybe her behaviour could have been different, who knows maybe she is a homewrecking sl*pper.
But whatever she is, she didn't deserve to be a victim of abuse.

[Kizzy]

Argh! was so annoyed emma was almost apologising to him! It was totally out of order her placating him making excuses for his disgusting outburst!!

Bliddy furious about that, absolute rollocks... What the hell was she thinking?

[mr rochester]

Emma was bordering on sycophancy during this cringeworthy interview...