[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

Best of luck Richard. Hope you do well, mate.

I'll second that!!

[Josy]

Back on topic please....


Hazel doesn't need to press charges btw, well that's it how works here I don't know about anywhere else.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Josy

Back on topic please....


Hazel doesn't need to press charges btw, well that's it how works here I don't know about anywhere else.

Yes, i agree.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by CynicalHermit

what harm is this genuinely interesting conversation doing that required a mod to referee it? The thread was started about Law, we are still talking about Law.

The thread is in the BB section and is about Daley and Hazel and what happened in BB, feel free to make a thread in another section to discuss other things and keep questions like this to pm in future so you aren't taking the thread off topic any further.

Thanks.

[CaudleHalbard]

Any rookie lawyer could get Daley off a charge of common assault. Had Hazel been injured, it would have been more difficult.

I know there is a desire to pigeon-hole Hazel as a poor abused woman, but she isn't. I can't believe how deluded some people are about this! Save your sympathy for those women who, because of economic circumstances are tied to men who beat them black and blue on a regular basis.

Since leaving the house what has Hazel said about Daley? That she "cannot totally rule out" a relationship with him in the future. Some 'abused woman' !!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Any rookie lawyer could get Daley off a charge of common assault. Had Hazel been injured, it would have been more difficult.

I know there is a desire to pigeon-hole Hazel as a poor abused woman, but she isn't. I can't believe how deluded some people are about this! Save your sympathy for those women who, because of economic circumstances are tied to men who beat them black and blue on a regular basis.

Since leaving the house what has Hazel said about Daley? That she "cannot totally rule out" a relationship with him in the future. Some 'abused woman' !!

Quite frankly your really bad attitude to Hazel and the whole incident is the thing hardest to understand.
Also the way you put down everyone else too as if they know nothing and you know it all!

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Quite frankly your really bad attitude to Hazel and the whole incident is the thing hardest to understand.
Also the way you put down everyone else too as if they know nothing and you know it all!

So give us your take then, Joey.

Do you think Daley has a 'consent' defence?

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

So give us your take then, Joey.

Do you think Daley has a 'consent' defence?

Can't talk for Joey,but imo the answer is NO!!
She consented to the flirting. When he slapped her "arse" hard,she told him not to do that,which is a withdrawal of consent!?! QED!!

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

Can't talk for Joey,but imo the answer is NO!!
She consented to the flirting. When he slapped her "arse" hard,she told him not to do that,which is a withdrawal of consent!?! QED!!

Sorry but her "Go for it" comment came AFTER the bum slap. So that doesn't work.

But, I am inclined to agree with you that the bum slap was the actual assault/battery.

Anyway let's see what hotshot lawyer-to-be Joey has to say. I do not claim to know it all and I am genuinely interested to hear his comments.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

So give us your take then, Joey.

Do you think Daley has a 'consent' defence?

No I don't,I can see he could try it but I cannot see him winning with it,however I don't think it will get to court anyway.
In the unlikely event it were it too though, my guess is he would plead guilty anyway to some assault charge and would in fact be likely advised to do that too with the video evidence there is in existence.

Also my views on this incident are well documented in relevant threads on this throughout BB since the incident took place.
Of course not, as to a defence of consent though, she was alone with him,(despite the cameras), had she really fought against him, it could have been even worse for her, he not only laid his hands on her menacingly he verbally threatened her too.
All that would count heavily against him.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Any rookie lawyer could get Daley off a charge of common assault. Had Hazel been injured, it would have been more difficult.

I know there is a desire to pigeon-hole Hazel as a poor abused woman, but she isn't. I can't believe how deluded some people are about this! Save your sympathy for those women who, because of economic circumstances are tied to men who beat them black and blue on a regular basis.

Since leaving the house what has Hazel said about Daley? That she "cannot totally rule out" a relationship with him in the future. Some 'abused woman' !!

As I stated before,neither will be charged,but to suggest that they are equally to blame is nonsense! Hazel is not an abused woman,because BB stepped in when they did,and what would have happened is pure speculation. However,as stated by others,if Daley is capable of this on a reality TV show,what could he do behind closed doors?? A warning from the police might help to avoid a future incident!!

[courses]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I know there is a desire to pigeon-hole Hazel as a poor abused woman, but she isn't. I can't believe how deluded some people are about this! Save your sympathy for those women who, because of economic circumstances are tied to men who beat them black and blue on a regular basis.

No there isn't! Stop using that to try to make Hazel the villain. And it's ridiculous and offensive to suggest that anyone who IS abused must be a 'poor abused woman.' Being a victim of assault won't change your character and it hasn't changed Hazel's.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by courses

No there isn't! Stop using that to try to make Hazel the villain. And it's ridiculous and offensive to suggest that anyone who IS abused must be a 'poor abused woman.' Being a victim of assault won't change your character and it hasn't changed Hazel's.

ikr? It was almost as if, because Hazel wasn't a jibbering mess afterwards then what Daley did was ok

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I know there is a desire to pigeon-hole Hazel as a poor abused woman, but she isn't. I can't believe how deluded some people are about this! Save your sympathy for those women who, because of economic circumstances are tied to men who beat them black and blue on a regular basis.

Your attitude towards people, especially women, who have been assaulted and abused is disgusting and is exactly why the world has such a problem with domestic abuse in this day and age!

Just because a woman is strong, independent, attractive and knows what she wants in life and knows how to get it, does not give anyone the right to look down on her and point fingers and lay the blame on her when abuse or assault raises it's ugly head.

How very stereotypical and ignorant of you to blame the economy and use it as an excuse as to why men think it's their god given right to threaten and beat a woman into submission because they fail to bow down and submit to them!

You say "save your sympathy" what a joke! You have zero sympathy for those that deserve it, in fact in my opinion you are the one who is deluded!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Your attitude towards people, especially women, who have been assaulted and abused is disgusting and is exactly why the world has such a problem with domestic abuse in this day and age!

Just because a woman is strong, independent, attractive and knows what she wants in life and knows how to get it, does not give anyone the right to look down on her and point fingers and lay the blame on her when abuse or assault raises it's ugly head.

How very stereotypical and ignorant of you to blame the economy and use it as an excuse as to why men think it's their god given right to threaten and beat a woman into submission because they fail to bow down and submit to them!

You say "save your sympathy" what a joke! You have zero sympathy for those that deserve it, in fact in my opinion you are the one who is deluded!

Really well said Marmalite, I totally agree again.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Your attitude towards people, especially women, who have been assaulted and abused is disgusting and is exactly why the world has such a problem with domestic abuse in this day and age!

Just because a woman is strong, independent, attractive and knows what she wants in life and knows how to get it, does not give anyone the right to look down on her and point fingers and lay the blame on her when abuse or assault raises it's ugly head.

How very stereotypical and ignorant of you to blame the economy and use it as an excuse as to why men think it's their god given right to threaten and beat a woman into submission because they fail to bow down and submit to them!

You say "save your sympathy" what a joke! You have zero sympathy for those that deserve it, in fact in my opinion you are the one who is deluded!

Have to join with joeysteele and flag this up as a great post.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

Your attitude towards people, especially women, who have been assaulted and abused is disgusting and is exactly why the world has such a problem with domestic abuse in this day and age!

Just because a woman is strong, independent, attractive and knows what she wants in life and knows how to get it, does not give anyone the right to look down on her and point fingers and lay the blame on her when abuse or assault raises it's ugly head.

How very stereotypical and ignorant of you to blame the economy and use it as an excuse as to why men think it's their god given right to threaten and beat a woman into submission because they fail to bow down and submit to them!

You say "save your sympathy" what a joke! You have zero sympathy for those that deserve it, in fact in my opinion you are the one who is deluded!

This, well said !

[waylander1973]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/23/big-br...unced-3935322/

Update on what hazel feels about it.

[DanaC]

Who is talking about Hazel in those terms in here? I don't see it that way at all. She's not an 'abused woman'. That doesn't alter his guilt or lack of it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Who is talking about Hazel in those terms in here? I don't see it that way at all. She's not an 'abused woman'. That doesn't alter his guilt or lack of it.

Exactly. Really this probably has nothing at all to do with Hazel. I seriously doubt she's the one pursuing these charge (if it's even true)

[MeMyselfAndI]

Daley was completely in the wrong for his actions, But Hazel still acted disgustingly like usual

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Daley was completely in the wrong for his actions, But Hazel still acted disgustingly like usual

That's the point i was trying to make. The whole thing was very odd.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Daley was completely in the wrong for his actions, But Hazel still acted disgustingly like usual

How exactly did Hazel act disgustingly? It is not a crime for women to flirt you know. She is young, attractive, confident and a free agent - she can basically do what she likes.

Quite frankly, I am sick of females coming down on other females for behaviour they have no problem with when carried out by male hms. That is what I find disgusting.

[courses]

Thought this article might be interesting.
"It is because society tells us that women are objects, not subjects, that when society is presented with a case of male violence or sexual abuse, everyone looks at it from his point of view: “Oh, he must have been provoked to have done that,” “He was a nice man who just snapped,” “He must have been confused by her signals,” “Maybe he’s been falsely accused, how terrible to have to go to jail for that.” With every victim-blaming, rape / violence apologist comment, society reveals through whose eyes it looks, and the answer is invariably the man’s."

cratesandribbons.com/2013/06/08/the-objectification-of-women-it-goes-much-further-than-sexy-pictures/

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by courses

Thought this article might be interesting.
"It is because society tells us that women are objects, not subjects, that when society is presented with a case of male violence or sexual abuse, everyone looks at it from his point of view: “Oh, he must have been provoked to have done that,” “He was a nice man who just snapped,” “He must have been confused by her signals,” “Maybe he’s been falsely accused, how terrible to have to go to jail for that.” With every victim-blaming, rape / violence apologist comment, society reveals through whose eyes it looks, and the answer is invariably the man’s."

cratesandribbons.com/2013/06/08/the-objectification-of-women-it-goes-much-further-than-sexy-pictures/

The evidence is clear in this case. Daley had his hands on Hazel throat. That's assault.