[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I too have 'mild Aspergers' and have always had trouble, esp. when little, dealing in social situations and I see no reason why Abz can not have aspergers.

I just dont believe he could have led that lifestyle in the 1990s and now after the split, untreated post-depression turns into 'aspergers' .. it confuses the actual syndrome.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by sway

I just dont believe he could have led that lifestyle in the 1990s and now after the split, untreated post-depression turns into 'aspergers' .. it confuses the actual syndrome.

it would not be the normal situation for someone with Aspergers but I don't really know his mindset or actions at the time so I'm not doing to dismiss his claim just for that

[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

I'm not doing to dismiss his claim just for that

well if he did lie after he lightens up a bit that'll pi$$ me off. even though as I said hes history doesnt really prove it. I bet he was 'self-diagnosed' one drunken night on a website quiz and it has changed his mental state conciously believing he is, which has molded him into some hermit. (non-aspergic hermit)

[sway]

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

[Roy Mars III]

the other thread wasn't good enough for you?

[sway]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

the other thread wasn't good enough for you?

the other thread was about him 'having aspergers'

[Roy Mars III]

oh, okay, carry on then

[sway]

It's hard enough to diagnose people who really have aspergers, without people leeching off the syndrome to get sympathy..

those with it get bullied, isolated, under-rated etc.. with it now being trendy and emo, those actually with it get mistaken, bullied, etc... it makes people think Aspergers is just about being 'shy, reserved' etc.....

[Freddythefrog]

It is strange how someone having AS can suddenly recognise whether another person has it or not, I have a masters degree in AS and have met countless people upon the autism spectrum, some are easily distinguishable but others only display minor traits, often you need to get to know them much better to recognise how AS impacts upon them.
It is disrespectful to assume someone is or is not on the autism spectrum just because they do not show obvious stereotypical traits.
I am not saying he is or is not but in my experience, one of the last people to recognise whether someone has AS is another person with AS.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Freddythefrog

It is strange how someone having AS can suddenly recognise whether another person has it or not, I have a masters degree in AS and have met countless people upon the autism spectrum, some are easily distinguishable but others only display minor traits, often you need to get to know them much better to recognise how AS impacts upon them.
It is disrespectful to assume someone is or is not on the autism spectrum just because they do not show obvious stereotypical traits.
I am not saying he is or is not but in my experience, one of the last people to recognise whether someone has AS is another person with AS.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by Freddythefrog

I have a masters degree in AS

I did not realise one could get a Masters in a syndrome...where did you study for your Masters?

[Northern Monkey]

I don't know enough about it to comment really.I would assume that if he has been diagnosed with AS by a proffessional then they would be right though?I mean,Would he go on telly and blatently lie about it?I doubt it tbh.

[thesheriff443]

abz is a washed up boy band member that blew his money on drink and drugs, he gets no sympathy from me!, regardless of him having as or not.
the way he talks is a complete joke, needs to p*ss off and get a job.

[qwerty8883]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

tell you what mate. take your head firmly out of your ass. The Autistic spectrum is on of the most diverse that you can imagine and no two people on that spectrum are alike. You cannot make a comparison with your own condition to his.

I would say that you dont have Aspergers.

[Livia]

No one can make a diagnosis of someone from reading about them in the press and watching them on TV. Not the best doctor, not the best specialist... no one.

[watchinittoomuch]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one can make a diagnosis of someone from reading about them in the press and watching them on TV. Not the best doctor, not the best specialist... no one.

Hello Liv, ltns

What you say is completely true of course, but I can, having watched me telly, safely say that Carol loves her bevvy lol

[Livia]

Originally Posted by watchinittoomuch

Hello Liv, ltns

What you say is completely true of course, but I can, having watched me telly, safely say that Carol loves her bevvy lol

Hey WITM!

I have a sneaking suspicion you may be right about Carol LOL...

[qwerty8883]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

infact being on the spectrum myself i would presume that you (being an aspe) would understand the fact that people on the specturm create false personalities to deal with social situations and to manage anxiety problems (this is a major factor in the cyclic breakdown of people with the condition as mental fatigue from maintaining that persona takes its toll over a prolonged period and is unsustainable for most and if not all)

Dont make wild claims about what you do and dont know without first doing the relevant research.

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[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=qwerty8883;6339874]infact being on the spectrum myself i would presume that you (being an aspe) would understand the fact that people on the specturm create false personalities to deal with social situations and to manage anxiety problems

To be fair, I think a lot of non-Asperger's people are probably guilty of doing this too. For example, if going for a job interview, how many people might make themselves out to be someone/something they are not, in order to impress the interviewer? Many people suffer anxiety and stress in social situations, and I think there's a very fine line between everyday stress management with most folk, and how people with Asperger's cope with their anxiety - which is exacerbated tenfold, largely because those with Asperger's are unable to channel their emotions and anxieties in the same way.

[qwerty8883]

[QUOTE=Blue Cadillac;6339889]

Originally Posted by qwerty8883

infact being on the spectrum myself i would presume that you (being an aspe) would understand the fact that people on the specturm create false personalities to deal with social situations and to manage anxiety problems

To be fair, I think a lot of non-Asperger's people are probably guilty of doing this too. For example, if going for a job interview, how many people might make themselves out to be someone/something they are not, in order to impress the interviewer? Many people suffer anxiety and stress in social situations, and I think there's a very fine line between everyday stress management with most folk, and how people with Asperger's cope with their anxiety - which is exacerbated tenfold, largely because those with Asperger's are unable to channel their emotions and anxieties in the same way.

Indeed they do but the anxiety with most people on the spectrum is quite different and very misplaced in comparison to someone who is considered normal. I presume that most people suffer from anxiety as a trait in most new social situations (due to the fact that the unknown must scare us all to some extent) However the anxiety i feel from walking out side my front door is probably (but not in all cases) ten fold as bad to that of a "normal" person.

As an example when i go into a social situation with any one person i will very carefully watch body language to gauge reactions from the person i am interacting with (quite normal i presume?). If i get even the slightest undertone that they are losing interest i will instantly change the subject matter. When this change takes places and i make my presumption based on observation, my anxiety goes from say 7/10 to 10/10 and will have a huge detrimental effect on my perceptions of how the conversation went and also weather or not i like this person due to my perception of their reaction to my conversation. I would also say that i will take my perceived knock back (which may or may not have actually been perceived by others in the same manner) in a hugely detrimental way and this will determine how i perceive them in the future. To stop this from happening over years i have learned to instead of being myself create specific persona's for specific personalities that i will come across (of course the issues arise when i start to behave as myself rather than as the persona designed to manage the anxiety in these situations)

articulating my feelings is very difficult but what i am getting at is that every social interaction for me is like say, A job interview. It doesnt matter if its with someone in a shop, the postman or an associate. Only the closest family members do not cause this problem and the Internet is another gem of a place where i do not suffer from this issue.

Now my case is probably very different from 99% of all other people who are on the autistic spectrum.

i also waffle on............

[Jarvio]

[QUOTE=qwerty8883;6339925]

Originally Posted by Blue Cadillac

Indeed they do but the anxiety with most people on the spectrum is quite different and very misplaced in comparison to someone who is considered normal. I presume that most people suffer from anxiety as a trait in most new social situations (due to the fact that the unknown must scare us all to some extent) However the anxiety i feel from walking out side my front door is probably (but not in all cases) ten fold as bad to that of a "normal" person.

As an example when i go into a social situation with any one person i will very carefully watch body language to gauge reactions from the person i am interacting with (quite normal i presume?). If i get even the slightest undertone that they are losing interest i will instantly change the subject matter. When this change takes places and i make my presumption based on observation, my anxiety goes from say 7/10 to 10/10 and will have a huge detrimental effect on my perceptions of how the conversation went and also weather or not i like this person due to my perception of their reaction to my conversation. I would also say that i will take my perceived knock back (which may or may not have actually been perceived by others in the same manner) in a hugely detrimental way and this will determine how i perceive them in the future. To stop this from happening over years i have learned to instead of being myself create specific persona's for specific personalities that i will come across (of course the issues arise when i start to behave as myself rather than as the persona designed to manage the anxiety in these situations)

articulating my feelings is very difficult but what i am getting at is that every social interaction for me is like say, A job interview. It doesnt matter if its with someone in a shop, the postman or an associate. Only the closest family members do not cause this problem and the Internet is another gem of a place where i do not suffer from this issue.

Now my case is probably very different from 99% of all other people who are on the autistic spectrum.

i also waffle on............

Bolded the part that applies immensley to myself. Any knockback by a person could ruin my entire day and I spend the entire day ruminating about it until it's resolved in my own mind. It's horrible. And others around me have no idea why I'm so affected by it.

Many of the things you say relate to me. Only I don't usually try to put on a different persona (although having said that I do sometimes mask my real self with nonsensical humour). But yes, social situations are like a job interview for me also and the anxiety levels are always so high. I try to deal with it, but deep down I am always uncomfortable, and also worried that others think lowly of me.

Only thing that doesn't apply to me though is that you said you don't struggle on the internet. I do. I try to explain my posts in an explainable way but nobody seems to understand them and it winds me up. And I'm massively effected by how people on the net can be so insulting/insensitive too.

I take things to heart WAY too much, and you know what, I've even taken this thread to heart!
I also have really bad obsessional tendencies. Like, really bad. Cleaning my teeth for example takes forever as I'm unusually careful about it. I hate being the last person out of my house because that means I have to lock the door, in which I check it's locked like 20 times.
Even watching DVDs is a chore - I constantly have to rewind them because my mind trails off and I don't understand things. Putting them back in the case is horrible because I constantly have to take them out again to re-check that I've not damaged them.

ASDs are no walk in the park!

It's all so complicated. I'm basically an obsessive worryer. Having aspergers is really difficult and when I read people's posts on here saying that people are faking it etc, it makes things 10 times worse for me.

People only think that people are faking it because every case of an ASD is different.

[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=qwerty8883;6339925]

Originally Posted by Blue Cadillac

Indeed they do but the anxiety with most people on the spectrum is quite different and very misplaced in comparison to someone who is considered normal. I presume that most people suffer from anxiety as a trait in most new social situations (due to the fact that the unknown must scare us all to some extent) However the anxiety i feel from walking out side my front door is probably (but not in all cases) ten fold as bad to that of a "normal" person.

As an example when i go into a social situation with any one person i will very carefully watch body language to gauge reactions from the person i am interacting with (quite normal i presume?). If i get even the slightest undertone that they are losing interest i will instantly change the subject matter. When this change takes places and i make my presumption based on observation, my anxiety goes from say 7/10 to 10/10 and will have a huge detrimental effect on my perceptions of how the conversation went and also weather or not i like this person due to my perception of their reaction to my conversation. I would also say that i will take my perceived knock back (which may or may not have actually been perceived by others in the same manner) in a hugely detrimental way and this will determine how i perceive them in the future. To stop this from happening over years i have learned to instead of being myself create specific persona's for specific personalities that i will come across (of course the issues arise when i start to behave as myself rather than as the persona designed to manage the anxiety in these situations)

articulating my feelings is very difficult but what i am getting at is that every social interaction for me is like say, A job interview. It doesnt matter if its with someone in a shop, the postman or an associate. Only the closest family members do not cause this problem and the Internet is another gem of a place where i do not suffer from this issue.

Now my case is probably very different from 99% of all other people who are on the autistic spectrum.

i also waffle on............

I understand all of this possibly more than you realise, since my son experiences virtually all that you mention. I was just pointing out that it's possible for all of us to experience severe anxiety and stress, and for many of us to try and 'become' someone we're not by creating different personalities within ourselves - not entirely limited to Asperger's people.

[Jarvio]

Originally Posted by sway

I have mild aspergers syndrome, I've been programming (coding) computers since the age of 12 as a hobby whilst having just completed my masters in Architecture. I've never had a group of friends or really a best friend, as I think social groups are just benign. Although I do care about people and im not arragont or stuck up.

ABZ DOES NOT HAVE ASPERGERS.

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers, and the only social problems he may have in the house may stem from depression, probably to do with his career and lifestyle binge.

Another clue in this lie, is that he says hes doing yoga and lives a detoxifying life. In a way where people will think hes excessively individualist enough to pass off as Aspergers.

Although I sympathize with his depression, I think he's being a bit fraudulent and adding to the already bloated BANDWAGON that is Aspergers.

EVERYONE IS CLAIMING ********* ASPERGERS... NO!

What a load of bollocks.

I have aspergers myself, diagnosed by a professional earlier this year - and I am insulted by this post.

The fact of the matter is, NOT ALL PEOPLE WITH ASPERGERS ARE THE SAME.

FreddyTheFrog's post nailed it tbh, I agree with him.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sway

Someone who was in a boy band could never have aspergers

Why's that? Because you declared that to be true?

[sway]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Why's that? Because you declared that to be true?

No, its logical. Being in a boy band like 5ive doesn't exactly tick the 'I would rather read a quantum physics book than go to a party" check box on the Autism test.